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TRONZ

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Nissan is very eager to show another Zero Emmision car early!

http://www.motorward.com/2011/04/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-unveiled/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/04/nissan-leaf-nismo-hot-rod-electric-race-car-fast-wild-concept-battery-car-ny-auto-show/1

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11q2/nissan_leaf_nismo_rc_concept-auto_shows?redirect=no
 
They need to put a real drive in it to compete. clearly it has been made low weight but it needs about a 200 kw motor.
 
It's a coupe and almost 4" shorter in wheelbase. I can't wait for the detail pics but this is not even close to being a stock LEAF... except for the motor.
 
TRONZ said:
It's a coupe and almost 4" shorter in wheelbase. I can't wait for the detail pics but this is not even close to being a stock LEAF... except for the motor.

WOW! Up to 92mph; and it runs for 20 minutes before it dies. Uh....am I missing something here? :? :?
 
There is a lot of spec information missing and conflicting in the write-ups. Ex; Stock 92mph top speed in a LEAF that weighs 40% less??! I am not going to opinion anything until I know what I'm talking about. ;)
 
TRONZ said:
Stock 92mph top speed in a LEAF that weighs 40% less??!

I could entirely see that.. There's probably voltage-derived and/or safety-derived RPM limit on the electric motor given the stock voltage of the battery pack so it's the acceleration that's left to benefit (0-60 in 6.2s vs. 10, wasn't it?). Kind of a shame, though, to replace the rest of the car without giving it a bigger battery and motor; doesn't look all that much like the original anyways except for the continued marketing pitch with the bug-eyed headlights..
 
derkraut said:
TRONZ said:
It's a coupe and almost 4" shorter in wheelbase. I can't wait for the detail pics but this is not even close to being a stock LEAF... except for the motor.

WOW! Up to 92mph; and it runs for 20 minutes before it dies. Uh....am I missing something here? :? :?

Yes 20 minutes... at racing speeds.

If we drove our LEAFs at 90 mph it'd probably run out in 20 minutes too.
 
derkraut said:
TRONZ said:
It's a coupe and almost 4" shorter in wheelbase. I can't wait for the detail pics but this is not even close to being a stock LEAF... except for the motor.

WOW! Up to 92mph; and it runs for 20 minutes before it dies. Uh....am I missing something here? :? :?

Wife asked how fast this morning? I said lets see. Got to 85 in short order today, then she said enough. Didn't want to be the first Leaf pulled over for 25 over.
 
If the Nismo was as quick as a Spec Miata then it could do 12 laps around Laguna Seca at race pace in 20 mins. This would be the real deal. Does anyone think this car might fit in with the EV "track day" up there this July? Maybe we are getting a peek at the much bigger plan...
 
Under race conditions, a pit stop battery pack swap might take ... perhaps 12 to 15 seconds?

Support, unlock, and Drop, then slide back as the new pack slides in from the front, then raise, lock, and retract the lift.

Perhaps the standard LEAF battery pack (from the QC time), and the wider track lets the battery slide back, between the rear wheels.
 
Everyone is carrying this story.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/17/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-set-to-electrify-new-york/
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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20054747-48.html

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/04/17/nissans-nismo-racing-leaf-looks-great-performs-adequately/

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11q2/nissan_leaf_nismo_rc_concept-auto_shows

http://www.insideline.com/nissan/leaf/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-debuts-2011-new-york-auto-show.html

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/14461588/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-racing-competition-takes-zero-emission-strategy-to-a-new-dimension-the-race-track

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/04/nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-purpose-built.html
 
Very nice looking, it does have some potential as a production car.. minus all the racing bits and plus most of the missing weight. The stock Nissan motor cant turn any faster, unless they change the gearing or increase the voltage. If its got wheels, someone somewhere will race it :)
I wonder if it has a space frame underneath the skin or a standard Leaf chassis?

Green racing!

A race of Nismos would be very tight since every car would be identical, and part of the racing skill would be to conserve enough juice to get to the finish line yet not go so slow that you get passed. The course design could make even a 92mph top speed interesting.
 
garygid said:
Under race conditions, a pit stop battery pack swap might take ... perhaps 12 to 15 seconds?
If the stock battery yields 50 miles at "highway speeds", how many miles would it last in pedal-to-the-metal usage? An amateur or semi-pro race probably doesn't need to be more than 30 miles or so to be interesting; that'd be about 13 laps of Laguna Seca.

garygid said:
Support, unlock, and Drop, then slide back as the new pack slides in from the front, then raise, lock, and retract the lift. Perhaps the standard LEAF battery pack (from the QC time), and the wider track lets the battery slide back, between the rear wheels.
Yeah, since the "slide out" part can't be avoided, forego the "lift" part altogether and just "plug" the battery pack in, the way a drawer runs on slides, and lock it in place with a cammed lock. It might be safer between the rear wheels, too. Statistics will tell which end of a race car is more likely to get crunched in a... crunch and therefore which end is safer. It'll also depend on the drive configuration: whether the car will be FWD or RWD, and where they put the motor.

Herm said:
Very nice looking, it does have some potential as a production car.. minus all the racing bits and plus most of the missing weight. The stock Nissan motor cant turn any faster, unless they change the gearing or increase the voltage.
That's correct: the service manual lists the motor as having a max rpm of 10,390.

Herm said:
I wonder if it has a space frame underneath the skin or a standard Leaf chassis?
I'm guessing it has as much in common with an OEM LEAF as Jeff Gordon's Chevy Impala has with a real Chevy Impala. But, that's just a guess.

Herm said:
A race of Nismos would be very tight [...]
Yeah, an one-make amateur or semi-pro NISMO LEAF racing series would contribute to making the EV a more mainstream car and increasing its adoption.

Herm said:
The course design could make even a 92mph top speed interesting.
I think the NISMO LEAF seems plenty capable as it is. Racing is not just about horsepower or torque, or even raw top speed. Some of the quickest and fastest entries in autocrosses are 25-year old VWs making 100 bhp dripping wet. The original Lotus Elise made 118 bhp. The "classic" Mini Cooper S, one of which won the 1964 Monte Carlo Rally outright, beating a Porsche and a Saab, made 55 bhp tops.

Racing is about getting from A to B in the shortest amount of time. What is required depends on the course's configuration, condition, limit of rules, etc. It's entirely possible to have a reasonable EV racing series that is spectator friendly. Heck, if someone can add such a race as a supporting race to a mainstream event such as F1, the way electric racers have their own class at the Isle of Man TT, that would be dynamite.
 
Some pics from the New York Auto Show. Nissan/Nismo is clearly going to demonstrate how much you can do with the stock LEAF drivetrain. This thing is just cool! I want Tamiya to make an RC model so I can run it around in our parking lot!

http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/04/20/2011-new-york-nissan-leaf-nismo-rc-prototype/
 
In the side view, I could not help but notice the quick release side skirts under the door. Great access to the battery for..... swapping?!?

BTW- I think it's great that Nissan is exercising their core EV power train components in a multitude of ways (LEAF, EsFlow, Nismo... and?). Universal design is very efficient and clearly what Nissan is developing in their EV base. The stock motor and battery are great components and will be very profitable as they broaden the manufacturing base/cost. One thing is for sure. A Nismo LEAF would cost a lot less to race and be very reliable due to mechanical simplicity. I can't wait for some lap time data!
 
TRONZ said:
There is a lot of spec information missing and conflicting in the write-ups. Ex; Stock 92mph top speed in a LEAF that weighs 40% less??! I am not going to opinion anything until I know what I'm talking about. ;)
I haven't looked at the articles, but if they are using the same drivetrain, the top speed is mechanically limited, not aerodynamically limited as with most vehicles. The electric motor has a top speed, the reduction to drive wheels is one gear ratio, and top speed is determined by tire diameter. Weight has nothing to do with it. Acceleration on the other hand... :twisted: (See Datsun White Zombie run the quarter mile)
 
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