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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:30 pm

hill wrote:That was my guess ... that it'll just sit there.
I wonder if Phil has begun work yet on Rev3 ;)
I remember Phil was saying that the new 120V EVSE that comes with the 2013 LEAF is not as robust as the Panasonic one that comes with the 2011/2012 LEAF. I think he might have even said that he wouldn't consider offering a 240V upgrade on it because the wiring aren't beefy enough or something. I may be wrong about this if my recollection is faulty.

Anyway, even if the Panasonic EVSE still comes with the 2013 LEAF, I'm not sure if it's really robust enough to be upgraded to deliver more than 16A. The 6.6kw charger will require about 30A draw.

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:44 am

Volusiano wrote:
hill wrote:Ok I DID look through a few other pages to see if this was addressed already (as well as using the sucky search tool) sooo, here goes; How will our Mod'ed portable EVSE's do if/when hooked up to the newer 2013 / 6K on-board charger?
Assuming no loss, 240V * 16A = 3.84 KW, so that's the most power the EVSE can deliver. The 2013 S has a 3.6kw charger, so it'll charge a little bit faster than then old 3.3kw charger. The draw is still within the 16A limit.
I'm afraid you are looking at the wrong end of the telescope. 3.3kW is not what the current charger pulls from the EVSE, but what it delivers to the battery. It is already pulling 3.84kW in order to pump 3.3kW into the battery. So I wouldn't expect a 3.6kW charger limited to 16A to be any faster at all than a 3.3kW charger, unless they had made the charger more efficient.

Actually, though, the standard charger in the 2013 isn't any faster than the current one. All they did was use a different name for a charger with the same output: "3.6 kW onboard charger (3.3 kW output)"

And back to you, hill, why are you using the sucky search tool? Have you not noticed the box at the top of the search page that says "Google™ Custom Search"?

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:52 am

Volusiano wrote:
hill wrote:That was my guess ... that it'll just sit there.
I wonder if Phil has begun work yet on Rev3 ;)
I remember Phil was saying that the new 120V EVSE that comes with the 2013 LEAF is not as robust as the Panasonic one that comes with the 2011/2012 LEAF. I think he might have even said that he wouldn't consider offering a 240V upgrade on it because the wiring aren't beefy enough or something. I may be wrong about this if my recollection is faulty.

Anyway, even if the Panasonic EVSE still comes with the 2013 LEAF, I'm not sure if it's really robust enough to be upgraded to deliver more than 16A. The 6.6kw charger will require about 30A draw.


The new EVSE is the same, the pictures from Japan were the wrong EVSE. Few people will even need more than 16A for a 2013 LEAF because the pack is the same size. I have a 6.7kw charger in my LEAF and I do not need more than 16A when at home, when away from home at public stations the larger on-board charger is practical.

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 am

EVDRIVER wrote:The new EVSE is the same, the pictures from Japan were the wrong EVSE.


I'm not sure what this refers to, but the 2013 does use a different EVSE than 2011-2012.

I've physically had it in my grubby hands, and it appears (to me) to possibly be the same unit that the 2013 Prius Plug-in and Rav4 EV use.

My Rav4 EV unit has already been bumped to 240 volt service.

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:49 am

Is the EVSE Upgrade UL certified? Homeowners insurance policies may not pay if fire is caused by the modified cable that is not UL certified. Also, does this void the Nissan Warranty on the car?

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:53 am

gte037p wrote:Is the EVSE Upgrade UL certified? Homeowners insurance policies may not pay if fire is caused by the modified cable that is not UL certified. Also, does this void the Nissan Warranty on the car?
The FAQ on the EVSE Upgrade website addresses the warranty issue: http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=faq_i ... faqs_id=20

As far as the UL listing, no it doesn't. If that bothers you in any way, DO NOT BUY THE UPGRADE.

P.S. We just had a big troll make a nasty thread on this subject. I'm replying to you assuming you are sincere, and will not turn this into a giant pie fight.
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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:56 am

davewill wrote:
gte037p wrote:Is the EVSE Upgrade UL certified? Homeowners insurance policies may not pay if fire is caused by the modified cable that is not UL certified. Also, does this void the Nissan Warranty on the car?
The FAQ on the EVSE Upgrade website addresses the warranty issue: http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=faq_i ... faqs_id=20

As far as the UL listing, no it doesn't. If that bothers you in any way, DO NOT BUY THE UPGRADE.


Thanks, I am getting the ClipperCreek unit installed soon and was just thinking about those issues. I think that the fact that the cable modifications would not be UL certified might actually void the warranty IF Nissan wanted to be nit-picky.

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:06 am

gte037p wrote:Thanks, I am getting the ClipperCreek unit installed soon and was just thinking about those issues. I think that the fact that the cable modifications would not be UL certified might actually void the warranty IF Nissan wanted to be nit-picky.
Your concern is duly noted.
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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:09 pm

gte037p wrote:Thanks, I am getting the ClipperCreek unit installed soon and was just thinking about those issues. I think that the fact that the cable modifications would not be UL certified might actually void the warranty IF Nissan wanted to be nit-picky.



Except that's not true. Even if Nissan wanted to be nit-picky they would have to prove that the EVSE caused the failure.

Also, I think you keep calling the EVSE a cable. It's not a cable it's equipment that happens to have two cables coming out of it. The actual cables do not get upgraded by EVSEUpgrade, just some of the internals.

If we are thinking about possibilities it is possible that they could blame a failure on ANY EVSE UL certified or not.

It's also FUD that your insurance company will not cover a fire if you use a non UL certified device. This is plain just not true. If you'd like to discuss this further please take a look at this thread and then if you have further questions feel free to ask there: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12564&start=80

Also, you realize that the LCS-25 is not UL certified right?

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Re: Fast Low Cost Charging - All EVSE Questions Answered!

Sat May 11, 2013 6:07 pm

I want to express the new V2 upgrade for 2011/2012 LEAF with the adjustable power option is easy to use and works exactly as designed. This allows me to charge slowly with the available power at my storage space while I run errands in my truck when needed. Until now I have not been able to charge as 12a 120v is too much and I have been a bit short at times upon return to driving the LEAF.

:D Excellent product :D
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