User avatar
Stanton
Forum Supporter
Posts: 1860
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:56 am
Delivery Date: 01 Sep 2011
Leaf Number: 7458
Location: Plano, TX
Contact: Website Twitter

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:55 pm

futureal wrote:Hi all i posted here before about my battery hitting 8 bars and me getting a new battery from the dealer under warranty.

Today i am unhappy to report that this brand new replacement batter after only 3 months of driving and no quick charges dropped 1%. it is upsetting to see Nissan sliding downhill on these cars
currently LeafSpy reflects the following values:

Ahr 63.70 SOH 99% Hx 95.86%

Hx dropped 10% in 3 months.
Ahr dropped 4% in 3 months
at this rate ill be losing SOH at 4% per year.

I could not be more dissapointed


You don't give your location, but we just went through a summer, so an excellerated drop is expected.
I have been concerned about my drop as well (I'm @61 AHr after 9 months), but the lizard batteries don't behave exactly the same as the old/original battery packs. Specifically:
1) I don't have a lot of 100% charges (especially over the summer)
2) I haven't driven near the miles I had a year ago now (when heading towards my battery replacement)

It will be interesting to see what happens to AHr when the temps cool and I get in some 100% charges (and balancing); if I get nothing back, then I will be disappointed.
2011 Blue Ocean SV w/floor mats & window tint
12v LiFePO4 battery & FIAMM 74100 horns
Wet Okole seat covers (front)
Tor's low-power heater mod
2013 sun visor
3G modem upgrade
L2 EVSE Upgrade
Battery Pack replaced (Rev E) @51 months and 41k miles

kjpowers
Posts: 12
Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:51 pm
Delivery Date: 14 Oct 2016

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:37 pm

barsad22 wrote:Hello -
I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere, but does anyone know how to get a full battery report out of the OBDII Scan (LeafSpy), or is this not possible? Is there any information the dealership tech gets that we don't get on LeafSpy?
I am grumpy about having to pay the dealership for the privilege of getting told how much my battery has degraded since 2011 (down to 74% capacity, according to LeafSpy). In my opinion Nissan should be thankful to get the data on these first-gen batteries, and a yearly battery report should be free as it was for the first two years.

Thanks,
Josh

I have the same question but we do get a lot of data as it is from LeafSpy not sure if we can tap into the logs of the battery that may need to be done through the maintanace port on the battery itself. Last time I got a report I had my obd2 connected and when I got my car back it was still connected. Granted they also said they inflated my tires and not but 200 miles later got a low pressure warning.

User avatar
ttweed
Posts: 1086
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:31 am
Delivery Date: 01 Apr 2011
Leaf Number: 1317
Location: La Jolla, CA
Contact: Website

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:42 am

bmetzner wrote:What is a typical wait time for the replacement battery?
Dealer/Nissan EV agree that the battery was ordered back in late June but can not give me any more information on when it will arrive at Dealer.
I can say that currently (Nov., 2016), the replacement battery pack lead time is between 10 and 14 weeks. I just received one that was ordered in the middle of August. This backorder situation is obviously a fluid situation, and will vary according to production schedules of both the battery packs and the new Leaf output, I imagine. I was told 2-10 weeks when I ordered it, and it took about 11.

To summarize my experience I posted about previously, I was denied a warranty replacement of my 8-bar pack because it dropped the ninth bar 3.5 months after the 60-month warranty period. I was, however, offered an 80% discount off a new replacement pack as a "good will" gesture by Nissan. I believe this was because my Leaf was not part of the class action suit and Nissan was afraid I was going to take further legal action regarding the performance of the car compared to their advertising claims regarding degradation made in the past, before we bought it. I wasn't happy about having to pay $1200 for a new battery, but I didn't want to hassle any further and accepted the offer. Now, after having it installed, it is a joy to not have to worry about range and/or charge twice a day to get to where we want to go, so I figure it is money well spent. This will get us through to the 200-mile EVs on the horizon. Here is the Leaf Spy screenshot from driving it home 6 miles from the dealership after the installation, to compare with the image I posted above from when it lost the 9th bar. One consolation is that the new battery has a full 8-yr./100k defect warranty and a new 5-yr./60 month warranty again, since it was purchased and not replaced on warranty, which carries only a 12-month/12k mile warranty to stay at or above 9 bars.

Image
Tom Tweed
La Jolla, CA
Plowshare Media
2011 SLe #1317 del. 4/1/11
1st bar lost at 31,953 miles
2nd bar lost at 38,685 miles
3rd bar lost at 50,711 miles
4th bar lost at 59,758 miles after 64 months
Battery replaced at 61,307 miles.

User avatar
Marktm
Gold Member
Posts: 260
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:49 am
Delivery Date: 09 Jan 2016
Leaf Number: 022737

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:01 am

Just picked up the 2012 Leaf with new "Lizard" battery;

IMG_4682.PNG
IMG_4681.PNG
IMG_4680.PNG


GOM shows 114 miles remaining on ECO mode with all "users" off. Guess that's why it's called a "guess-o-meter"!

Sorry for the double post, but this thread appears to be the correct one for such data.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
2012 Leaf SL; 34,000 miles. 12 bars - Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.
4000 watts Grid-tied solar. 3000 watts (level II) off-grid solar Leaf charging capable.

monkeywraith
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:05 am
Delivery Date: 26 May 2016
Leaf Number: 026084

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:54 pm

Don't remember if I mentioned, but my baby dropped to 8 bars, I took it in day before yesterday, and they said the battery will be here in under 8 weeks! :mrgreen:

drleephd
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:54 am
Delivery Date: 21 Jul 2012

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:34 am

I also took my leaf in for a warranty replacement on 11/28.
The dealer only quoted me 4 to 6 weeks wait time, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

snguyen4
Posts: 11
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:39 pm
Delivery Date: 23 Nov 2012
Leaf Number: 123456
Location: Garden Grove CA

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:23 am

DiamondDan73 wrote:I'm at the dealership buying a MY2012 SL with 38,000 miles and my LEAFpro shows that it's at AHr 42.94 and the car has 9 bars now. I called Nissan and they said that the car qualifies for a battery replacement at 8 bars. It does have an open campaign for the software update so I will take it to the Nissan dealership when I get a chance.



I just picked up a 2012 with 33500 miles with 9 battery bars and the AHr=46.41 and SOH=70% Any tips on how I can push it so I can get a new battery by the end of September 2017. Thank you all for your imput....

DiamondDan73
Posts: 64
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:35 pm
Delivery Date: 15 Sep 2015
Location: Southern California

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:45 am

Drive it until you get low battery warning. Quick charge as much as possible. Park it in the sun. Avoid the shade. You basically want to get the batteries as hot as possible. It only took me 6 months to get mine to drop.
2012 Cayenne Red SL
Purchased 9/1/15 38,950 miles 9 bars AHr 42.94
09/2/15 P3227 update 9 bars AHr 50.80
02/20/16 47,973 miles 8 bars AHr 43.30
New Battery 04/22/16 50,025 miles 12 bars AHr 63.80

cwerdna
Gold Member
Posts: 6532
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:34 am

DiamondDan73 wrote:Drive it until you get low battery warning. Quick charge as much as possible. Park it in the sun. Avoid the shade. You basically want to get the batteries as hot as possible. It only took me 6 months to get mine to drop.

I'd drive it until the 2nd low battery warning (VLBW). Park it in the sun at full charge. Try it always leave it at 100% charge for extended periods. Charge it when the battery's hot. Keep the batteries hot.

As for QC, since he has many months time, definitely QC, drain the battery by driving and QC again. Rinse and repeat to really cook the battery and get the temp gauge almost at or into red,

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

User avatar
Marktm
Gold Member
Posts: 260
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:49 am
Delivery Date: 09 Jan 2016
Leaf Number: 022737

Re: 8 bar battery replacement metrics

Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:56 pm

My replacement battery seems to be on a rapid decline at slightly over 5 weeks:

New battery log.jpg


Has anyone had such rapid Ahr/HX decline? - and now even SOH declining. It has been very mild here and all level II charging - with minimal miles!
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
2012 Leaf SL; 34,000 miles. 12 bars - Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.
4000 watts Grid-tied solar. 3000 watts (level II) off-grid solar Leaf charging capable.

Return to “LEAF CANBus”