ByeFO
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Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 6:27 am

I have been looking for a used SL or SV (4/2013 or later) since I think I will need the hybrid heater for the cold weather here and my ~22mile one-way commute to work. It has been tough to find one except the rare one at a dealer, which means I would prob pay $1,000 more for it.

This one popped up on Carvana and I reserved the chance to buy it when it is officially available.

It has 24K miles. It does have the charging package and also the premium package and is going to be offered at $13,500.

Assuming it is in good condition when I check it out, is this a worthwhile deal? I have searched on line and I can find similar 2015 SV hundreds or thousands of miles away, but usually for more money.

I wish I lived in an area without cold weather so I would feel more confident about buying an S with a quick charge package. However, there are lots of times when I need to run the defogger to clear the windshield here and that on top of a 22 mile one way commute, principally on highway.

Question: I will install a 240V EVSE at home for sure and that would be fine, I think, for this 2015 SV. However, if I also installed a 240V EVSE at work, would I be good with an S with the non-hybrid heater, running heat and/or defogger during the winter with 22 mile one way highway commute?

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 6:43 am

Way overpriced compared to a 2016 30 kWh after tax credits and Nissan incentives. The Nissan incentives are regional and jump around but you can probably find one and if needed pay a shipping charge.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 7:24 am

If you have L2 charging at both ends (and you know it will be available when you need it), then an S with resistance heater only would probably work for you. If not, then you need an SV or SL. The used market and pricing for Leafs really depends on location. Prices are lower in areas like California and Georgia that have a lot of lease returns, but places without large quantities of used Leafs have higher asking prices. I don't think the price of the 2015 is out of line for your area, but consider the real cost of a new one after all the incentives you can take advantage of. You might find that a new one makes more sense.
Gerry
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 9:46 am

SageBrush wrote:Way overpriced compared to a 2016 30 kWh after tax credits and Nissan incentives. The Nissan incentives are regional and jump around but you can probably find one and if needed pay a shipping charge.
Can you be more specific about a 2016 30kWh (do you mean new or used)? Do you have a link to one you found online?
Also, are the tax and Nissan incentives only for someone who purchases the vehicle new?
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 9:53 am

GerryAZ wrote:If you have L2 charging at both ends (and you know it will be available when you need it), then an S with resistance heater only would probably work for you. If not, then you need an SV or SL. The used market and pricing for Leafs really depends on location. Prices are lower in areas like California and Georgia that have a lot of lease returns, but places without large quantities of used Leafs have higher asking prices. I don't think the price of the 2015 is out of line for your area...
Non-dealer used 2013+ SV and SL are as scarce as hen's teeth in my area. Then I used online search without mileage limits and found maybe two private owned ones on the west coat, the rest were dealers. I did see a good deal on two at a dealer in Hawaii, though. :?

GerryAZ wrote:...consider the real cost of a new one after all the incentives you can take advantage of. You might find that a new one makes more sense...
What I would like to do is to own a Leaf for a few years. This way I can wait out to see how the Bolt holds up, if there are any problems, and maybe there will be some used available in a few years.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 10:31 am

SageBrush wrote:Way overpriced compared to a 2016 30 kWh after tax credits and Nissan incentives. The Nissan incentives are regional and jump around but you can probably find one and if needed pay a shipping charge.
You do have a point if the post from another thread would apply to my area where the dealer gave them $10,000 off MSRP for a new 2017 SV with cargo net.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1225&start=450

In this example: $35,755 - $10,000 - $7,500 (fed tax incentive) - $1,500 (PA tax incentive) = $16,755. I'll have to check a local dealership price through Truecar.

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 10:41 am

If you are price sensitive then think twice about the higher trim choices. You get very little for your money.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 11:50 am

I just checked and see that Nissan is offering 72-month 0% financing in addition to other incentives in certain locations so I suggest that you check with a couple of dealers in your area to see whether it makes sense for you to buy new before you buy the 2015. I was not planning to finance when I ordered my 2015, but Nissan offered $3,500 "Nissan cash" and 6-year 0% financing by the time it arrived so I used the $3,500 as the down payment and financed the balance (including tax and license) for 6 years. I save enough on gas from not driving my SUV (regular gas at 15 mi/gal city) and motorcycle (premium gas at 40 mi/gal city) to cover about 1/2 of my monthly car payment and also save wear/tear on both vehicles from city driving in extreme temperatures.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 1:20 pm

I appreciate all the help! This helps me go through the options and what is best for me.

With regard to getting a new car, Leaf or other new car, I am a dedicated used car purchaser (I'm very much a tightwad).

Maybe I would be better off getting a used 2013+ S - I can get one pretty easily for $10,000 or less if I'm patient.

I can then install a 240V EVSE at work as well as at home, then in the winter I should be good for my 22 mile one way highway commute with heat and defogger running.

In - lets say 3 years - I can sell the S for the remaining value and use that and the money I didn't spend on the 2015 Leaf towards a new Bolt - assuming that new EV turns out to be reliable. I guess for this to work, I should try to find an S with low mileage.

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 1:37 pm

I am also a tightwad, but have a different perspective: I buy new when possible and keep the vehicle long enough to make up for the depreciation. The only time I lost was on the 2011 Leaf because I only got 3-1/2 years out of it (not my fault). I plan to keep the 2015 Leaf for at least 10 years. My other vehicles include a 1988 pickup (purchased March 1988), 2002 motorcycle (purchased June 2002 which replaced a 1982 purchased in 1982), and a 2004 SUV (purchased during end-of-year close out in October 2004).

I am sure you will find a Leaf that meets your needs. As a reminder, don't get one without a heat pump unless you know you will be able to charge at work. Even L1 charging at work would probably be OK as long as you leave home with a full charge every morning. You will easily make your round trip in moderate temperatures when you don't need heat.
Gerry
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