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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    :D Nope went from me --> Nissan --> Junk. I'm assuming it's a pile of scrap now. Not sure if a junk car is resalable in Michigan. The junk classification was actually attached 4 months after it was originally registered in Michigan to Nissan as a 'correction'.
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    I was curious about what happened to RED500, so I pulled the carfax. Looks like it was issued a junk title in Michigan in March of 2013, 5 months after they bought it back. I hope they got some good data off of it that will help the rest of you. In case you don't know/remember this was a 3-bar...
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    Meeting with Nissan, Phoenix, Jan 8, 2013, 6pm, drinks prior

    I really, really hope most of this time can be spent really, truly hearing the experiences and learnings of Phoenix LEAF owners and that Nissan wants our input to build a better car for the everyman in these harsher environments. That said, I vote for happy hour in the hotel bar starting at...
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    Meeting with Nissan, Phoenix, Jan 8, 2013, 6pm, drinks prior

    I've got a question for Nissan regarding usable capacity. At some point, there was a software update that reset the LBW threshold. The owners manual says that you should charge as soon as possible after LBW and 'preferably' EDIT OUT['definitely'] before no segments remain EDIT OUT [you hit...
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    Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

    As one of the cars that was in Phoenix the longest (March 2011 delivery), we were on track to getting a warranty battery every 25-30K miles until 60,000 miles. Even if those refreshes were 100% restored, that would be 1 original, 2 Nissan-paid battery packs, plus 1 owner paid, just to limp past...
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    Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

    I'm interested in your thoughts about this... Before Nissan bought back our car (thank you Nissan!), we were on track to being eligible for a battery repair/replace at about 2 years/28,000 miles. Assuming a full 100% replacement , we'd need another one at 4 years/56,000 miles. Assuming a full...
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    Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

    If that is what you see, you are blind. I have heard of some throughout the country who need the full range of the car, but they usually find out in their first winter or their first uphill climb that was a mistake. Not one of the dozens of affected owners I have met have had such unrealistic...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    Yeah, and Nissan offered a 10 year warranty that's only exclusion was 'gradual' capacity loss and look where that got us. 30% gone in 16 months and being told it's gradual. The Civic Hybrid I'm sure has a great warranty that doesn't stop them from changing up some software and killing your...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    An update from the OP... After our buyback, we spent a few months with just the Prius and the motorcycle, and finally decided we did need another car in the garage. We drove the FFE, looked at some Civic hybrids, the Volt and for the most part the lack of a real battery warranty kept me from...
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    Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

    Wow! This is big. Maybe we wouldn't have gone on the news 3 times if we knew we wouldn't be left in the cold by Nissan... Yeah, we probably still would have. I think a much more worthy statement would be to define the word gradual... 70% is less than 5 years is not gradual, but 72% in 1.25 years...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    Just curious, did you go straight to the BBB after calling customer service at Nissan or have you been to the dealer many times throughout? The BBB process is pretty well defined and both Wilting Leaf and I were constantly in contact with the dealers and gave them lots of opportunities to...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    This was replying to a few quotes from the opinion piece posted a few pages ago: "I strongly suspect that there’s nothing wrong with his car. I see the problem largely as a matter of expectations. " "Certainly for 99% of the Leafs in the world, the passive system is perfectly adequate. "
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    AND, I almost forgot that Nissan actually appearantly took range from our vehicles with the early 2012 SW. They hid even more miles in that unusable range after that update, so with battery deterioration and range theivary the 75% 'rule of thumb' that Russ thinks we should live by goes out the...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    I remain ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED that people still have the nerve to tell me that I had UNREALISTIC expectations about the performance of this vehicle over time. :evil: Or that signing a waiver means that I'm accepting the fact that I'm being sold a big pile of lies and I'm supposed to lay down and...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    We had Nissan do a cell test at full SOC and at VLBW. Variances were in tolerance both times.
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    I find it refreshing, and a good start. He admitted that their 76% number was based on a population of cars that average 7,500 miles, Carla B should have known we'd see right through this. They must have the data to define a curve for the population of cars who travel between 10K and 14K miles...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    According to the owners manual you are supposed to charge as soon as possible after LBW, preferably before VLBW. This means (to me) that you should not be using that range often.
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    I'm pretty sure that in order to get a resolution, you are going to have to give them a reasonable number of attempts to evaluate and fix the car. Filing a complaint to the 800 number (or even in writing) and asking them to do something based on words is never going to work and will delay the...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    Now that I have a minute to breathe, I would like to thank each of the individuals at Nissan and Nissan dealerships that I have dealt with over the last 6 months. It is obvious to me that they did the very best for me that they could in their capacity. They knew they weren't going to make me...
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    Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

    I doubt the third party processor will do anything different then the normal lemon law buyback, which would mean a flagged title. Either way, title history will clearly show transfer from us to NNA. I would think that they'll take our cars back to casa grande and do more testing and dissection...
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