Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
wsbca & drees-- How deep into your drive does the 10th bar last now? Same as before (i.e., when car was new)? Noticeably less?drees said:Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
wsbca said:I'm probably going to jinx it by even saying anything, but after our initial flurry of 9 bar 80% charges earlier this month here in SoCal during the heat wave (which a number of other "second-summer moderate mileage mostly 80% charging" people were also suddenly getting), we've now had several consecutive 10 bar charges. It's been a little cooler, although the last few days were back into the high 80's. Anybody else seeing the same?
ttweed said:wsbca & drees-- How deep into your drive does the 10th bar last now? Same as before (i.e., when car was new)? Noticeably less?drees said:Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
Frankly, I don't pay that close attention to how many miles I get out of the 10th bar. My house is about 330ft above sea level, so typically the first 3-4 miles are mostly downhill - typical mi/kWh at 3-4 miles is 6-8 mi/kWh depending if I'm running the AC or not. That makes it difficult to compare 1st-bar loss data to other people...ttweed said:My 9-bar experience was a little different. As I posted above, over the last several weeks we had one 9-bar/75% charge, then two 10-bar/83% charges, then another 9-bar/75% charge. On the two 10-bar days, the 10th bar lasted 1 mile and then 2 miles of driving before disappearing, which is far less than what we have seen in the past.
The same "80%" charge level can show as 9 or 10 bars.
Apparently, the tenth bar disappears and reappears, as the battery temperature changes.
As I posted below on the "Gid sensitivity to temperature" thread:
"Has anyone with considerable variability in their daily ambient temperatures watched the gid count following a charge, while remaining parked, and neither charging nor discharging the battery, to see if the gid count changes (declines, presumably) as the ambient temperature warms during the day?
I've had my car parked at following a "80%" timer charge for a few days, with nighttime lows around 60 F, and daytime highs around 90 F.
The charge bars increase from 9 to 10 in the early morning, and decline back to 9 late in the afternoon, shortly after the battery temp bars increase from 5 to 6.
(8/28 edit- On the last test cycle, it went back up to 10 bars by one AM the next morning, completing a 10 bar to 9 bar to 10 bar cycle, without any charging or significant battery discharge.)
Just wondering if this charge bar variability by temperature, is reflecting gid count variability, or if something else is causing it.
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Greg, how many miles do you have? My 80% readings mirrors yours but my Leaf has 21k+ miles, spends weekdays inland, and all other times in OC. Also, so what are your latest Gid readings at 100%?GregH said:Quick data point.. I've been watching my 80% charge "gid" reading drop over the last few weeks 207, 206, 205 etc.. 203 this morning.
I've been waiting for that 10th bar to disappear and this morning with 203 it finally did. The odd thing is when it was 204-207 I'd watch to see how low the gid count got while driving before dropping the 10th bar and it was usually (if memory serves) under 200.. go figure. I haven't been to 100% in a while and will likely wait till things cool down a bit here in O.C. to balance it out.
edatoakrun said:...So if you decide not to subscribe to CW after the 3 year free period ends, I think you should still have access to the %/bars info, for whatever it's worth to you...[/quote]
planet4ever
That would be nice, but I doubt it. After all, the only way the app or website can get access to the car's information is through a cell phone connection. Someone has to pay for that connection, and I suspect strongly that is buried in the cost of CarWings.
Ray
Apparently, you are correct, and all the functions below are linked to a CW subscription:
...CARWINGS™ information system*
· Updates the navigation system with current charging station locations in your area
· Monitors the state of charge from your Smartphone or computer
· Remotely starts vehicle charging
· Provides connectivity to start and stop the climate control system in the vehicle remotely via your Smartphone or computer
· Reminds you to plug in the car if you forget
· The subscription service in included with your vehicle for the first three years...
skobay said:I've been noticing that my "bars" seem to be dropping a little more quickly and using more for normal trips (i.e. commute). Because of my daily driving needs, I usually charge to 100%. Yesterday evening, I set the timer to 80%. Sure enough... Charging stopped at 80% with only 9 bars. I'm at 9 months and a little over 16,000 miles. I presume I should expect my first bar loss within the next few weeks to month? sk
Stoaty said:I am hoping that not subscribing to Carwings will make the "OK" prompt go away. That would be an outstanding solution!edatoakrun said:So if you decide not to subscribe to CW after the 3 year free period ends, I think you should still have access to the %/bars info, for whatever it's worth to you...
Last 3 nights have been back to 9-bars here... The 9th bar seems to last quite a while, though.drees said:Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
drees said:Last 3 nights have been back to 9-bars here... The 9th bar seems to last quite a while, though.drees said:Exactly the same here. Had 2 9-bar charges on the 17th and 18th - been 10 bars ever since then.wsbca said:Anybody else seeing the same?
I haven't noticed any significant change in garage temp - I have a thermometer in mine that I watch (w/external and internal sensors) and it's typically been around 80-81F when I get home. I leave the side door open until I go to sleep, but doesn't help all that much - it might drop temps by 5F by midnight and outside temps at that time have been around 70F. When I leave in the morning the temp is around 75F so the temp holds steady through the night. I suspect that by this time of the year the slab has stored up a decent amount of heat.wsbca said:After our brief return to 10, we've also been back to 9 for a while, but the garage temp seems to have ticked back up during that time - I should probably get a thermometer in the garage as my assessment of that factor has just been by feel.
Yes, hitting the timer override should do that. If you want to control the time it spends at 100% without having to go out and hit the button at a specific time, just change your timer to a 100% start-time. Personally, I wouldn't bother unless you know you want to make sure you have maximum range for a drive coming up soon - or if you're just curious to see what happens.wsbca said:To invoke a 100% charge in such a way that it will do whatever balancing it wants to do up until the next unplug, I simply need to hit the timer override and let it go, right? (normal charges are on an end-only 80% timer set to be done by 5am.)
drees said:I tried a little experiment this morning - I hit the timer override and let it run for a few minutes before I left this morning - the Blink recorded 3m32s and 0.206 kWh.
Immediately I noticed that I had slightly less regen - only 4 bubbles that stuck the first 2 miles - normally I'll have 5 or the 5th will go on/off.
Well, I didn't power on the car to check before topping it off, but the charging stopped notification said 9/12 bars and it's never been wrong before. So yes, after the < 4 minutes of charging the car reported 10 bars - even after 4 miles of driving at appx 6-7 mi/kWh and 2 stops/power cycles.wsbca said:Just to clarify - did the couple of minutes of charging take you from a reported 9 bars on the email to 10 when you actually started up the car? Plus the regen behavior change?
Oh dear :roll:RichLupo said::ugeek: I am the service director at a leaf certified dealer nissan dealer in Jacksonville, FL. We have a couple employees driving leafs and I have one coming in. I think that many of you are overthinking this issue. charge it, drive it, and use the heck out of it. The battery is guaranteed by Nissan to retain 80% capacity at 5 years. Drive the car and if it loses capacity, take it in and have your dealer cover it. That's what we do.
Can you please point me to the specific portion of the Leaf warranty that guarantees 80% battery capacity at 5 years? If I could see that specific language in my warranty booklet, I would definitely stop "overthinking" this issue. The only relevant wording I have ever found is:RichLupo said:I am the service director at a leaf certified dealer nissan dealer in Jacksonville, FL. We have a couple employees driving leafs and I have one coming in. I think that many of you are overthinking this issue. charge it, drive it, and use the heck out of it. The battery is guaranteed by Nissan to retain 80% capacity at 5 years. Drive the car and if it loses capacity, take it in and have your dealer cover it. That's what we do.
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