Randy
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I am down two bars at 34K miles and 4 years & 2 months of ownership, so unfortunately I'm not expecting to lose another 2 bars within the next 10 months to qualify for the battery warranty replacement....
oakwcj said:But the people who will really get screwed are the ones who will miss the fourth bar disappearing by a matter of weeks or months.
People interested in electric vehicles will NEVER forget how Nissan treated people.TomT said:...I elected to thumb my nose at Nissan and give the car back so that THEY can take a bath on it!
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TimLee said:People interested in electric vehicles will NEVER forget how Nissan treated people.TomT said:...I elected to thumb my nose at Nissan and give the car back so that THEY can take a bath on it! ...
I never owned a Nissan till 2009.
Overall pretty well done vehicles.
But I will never respond to anyone asking about the LEAF without first telling them how badly Nissan treated people with the LEAF.
Nissan will still be trying to live it down three decades from now.
Probably he is unhappy that Nissan made all kinds of claims about battery longevity which turned out not to be true, then weaseled out with a "settlement" that only covered a small portion of those affected... and he is not in that small portion.Stanton said:I assume you will NOT qualify for a pack (there's no "bar" data in your sig), so can also assume that's what you're unhappy about.
TimLee said:People interested in electric vehicles will NEVER forget how Nissan treated people.
I will never respond to anyone asking about the LEAF without first telling them how badly Nissan treated people with the LEAF.
Nissan will still be trying to live it down three decades from now.
Stoaty said:Probably he is unhappy that Nissan made all kinds of claims about battery longevity which turned out not to be true, then weaseled out with a "settlement" that only covered a small portion of those affected... and he is not in that small portion.
The class members who didn't opt out will be included in the revised settlement:Valdemar said:I'd expect to at least get some sort of notification about changes in settlement terms.
This is a new Notice, sent only to those persons who validly excluded themselves from the Settlement. Settlement Class Members who did not previously exclude themselves from the Settlement are not receiving this Notice, but they will receiver the additional benefits described above in paragraph 4.
According to the definition of "Class" in the original lawsuit, it doesn't matter if the original owner opted out. If you own a 2011 or 2012 Leaf you are covered by the lawsuit and therefore will receive the benefits of the settlement (or amended settlement).mwalsh said:I got my letter today.
If you originally opted out of the settlement agreement on a car you no longer own that should still be under warranty, please find it in your heart to opt back in for the sake of whomever may have come to own it from herein. You already know that the B0133 blacklisting will follow it, making it near impossible for a future owner to get warranty relief, and that's not really fair. Even if you (and rightfully so) might be beyond caring about the whole mess at this point.
You are a Settlement Class Member and part of the settlement if you are either a current or former owner or
lessee of a 2011-2012 Nissan LEAF™ vehicle in the United States and its territories, including Puerto Rico.
leafkabob said:According to the definition of "Class" in the original lawsuit, it doesn't matter if the original owner opted out. If you own a 2011 or 2012 Leaf you are covered by the lawsuit and therefore will receive the benefits of the settlement (or amended settlement).
Any blacklisting that happened could only have applied to the owner, and not the car. Clearly, if an owner opted out of the settlement, then he/she does not get the benefits of the settlement. If a new owner shows up in a car that qualifies, but whose original owner opted out, they will get the benefit of the settlement. It shouldn't take too much to convince the dealer. Proof of ownership ought to do it.mwalsh said:leafkabob said:According to the definition of "Class" in the original lawsuit, it doesn't matter if the original owner opted out. If you own a 2011 or 2012 Leaf you are covered by the lawsuit and therefore will receive the benefits of the settlement (or amended settlement).
All good in theory, but I can foresee headache for any new owner rolling up on a dealership for warranty work only to find his car already blacklisted.
I agree with mwalsh. That's what you'd think in theory, but who knows how it will work in practice? In theory you'd think that a warranty given to all owners, unconditionally, without mention of any lawsuit, prior to any settlement, could not be retroactively taken away. But it was.leafkabob said:Any blacklisting that happened could only have applied to the owner, and not the car.
walterbays said:I agree with mwalsh. That's what you'd think in theory, but who knows how it will work in practice? In theory you'd think that a warranty given to all owners, unconditionally, without mention of any lawsuit, prior to any settlement, could not be retroactively taken away. But it was.leafkabob said:Any blacklisting that happened could only have applied to the owner, and not the car.
QueenBee said:To be fair I don't think anyone has actually pushed Nissan on this issue by requesting they warranty a 4 bar loss battery on a car/owner that was blacklisted so it's very possible that they would still approve such a claim as they clearly should. I don't think we ever really got to the bottom as to why they marked our VINs but it may have just been legal maneuvering to help with settling the class action suit.
mwalsh said:QueenBee said:To be fair I don't think anyone has actually pushed Nissan on this issue by requesting they warranty a 4 bar loss battery on a car/owner that was blacklisted so it's very possible that they would still approve such a claim as they clearly should. I don't think we ever really got to the bottom as to why they marked our VINs but it may have just been legal maneuvering to help with settling the class action suit.
We may not have had anyone who really pushed, but we've certainly had someone denied:
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How it works in practice is what the law says will happen. If you were offered a warranty by Nissan, they must honor it. I would love to hear from someone who says they were blacklisted and didn't get the benefit of the warranty. IF they received a letter from Nissan as many of you did in late 2012 (correct date, or was it spring 2013?) offering a battery warranty, then they cannot be denied. I suppose it is possible that someone who didn't get such a letter, and who opted out, may be denied, but I seem to recall that Nissan announced the warranty on this forum also. If so, then it is enforceable.walterbays said:I agree with mwalsh. That's what you'd think in theory, but who knows how it will work in practice? In theory you'd think that a warranty given to all owners, unconditionally, without mention of any lawsuit, prior to any settlement, could not be retroactively taken away. But it was.leafkabob said:Any blacklisting that happened could only have applied to the owner, and not the car.
Person was strangely missing from MNL after this last post:QueenBee said:Never heard how that ended though. They probably pushed and corporate approved it. Obviously just speculating but you'd think they would have updates if they didn't get a new battery.
Never said how the demand letter worked out and never gave any links to the blogs to know what they said about Nissan.iwilsmar said:I was thinking about going negative right away, and I still might, but the demand letter is a good idea.
It all depends on how deviant I feel on Monday morning :twisted:
FYI, I own four blogs, two websites, several active youtube channels, facebook accounts, twitter accounts, etc....
I also have two massive email lists that I communicate with 3 times a week that I could use to get my I JUST GOT SCREWED BY NISSAN message out into cyberspace.
My lists are comprised of almost 100 percent men, and since men buy lots of cars, this would probably be a good thing.
We'll see how I feel when I wake up on Monday morning.
Thanks
If you have read the past couple pages you know I have lost two capacity bars.Stanton said:Then it's only fair that those who have/will get NEW (improved) battery packs from Nissan should say that as well; I assume you will NOT qualify for a pack (there's no "bar" data in your sig), so can also assume that's what you're unhappy about.
I have owned multiple Nissan cars (previously), and have nothing but good things to say about them; my Leaf experience is turning out the same way, especially since Nissan will "make good" on the battery pack.
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