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davewill said:
Nubo said:
...That's where I've had a bit of an epiphany. I drove manual trans since I bought my first used car in the 1970's. And I enjoyed that way of driving, wringing the most performance out of a car, etc...

So you'd think I'd be disappointed in the LEAF in that regard. But I find I am not. It's not like an automatic that is deciding shift points for you. There's just no need for shifting. Form follows function, and so there's no trans. As it turns out that's a critical distinction for me.

I don't feel like I'm missing out. On a twisty, hilly road I have more attention to devote to steering and braking. The power is always at my bidding with no pauses or hesitations. It's a new way of driving, and I like it a lot.
Yes! I have always preferred manual transmissions, but with the Prius before it and the LEAF, it did't matter because "wanting" a manual just makes no sense. The cars don't have gears, so why would I want to "shift" them?
I've always owned and where possible, driven sticks. I enjoy it. And while there may be no 'need' for shifting in an EV, I know damned well I'm going to miss the pleasure of making a well-coordinated two-gear downshift while braking into a turn, once I finally give up my ICE; it's a huge feeling of satisfaction and enjoyment. For me, the level of engagement with the act of driving is maximized with a stick.

Having D, Eco and B modes is better than nothing, but is really the same level of driving engagement I get with an automatic in the mountains. I still occasionally have dreams about driving my '69 Datsun 2000 Roadster fast on some twisting two-lane road; I think it highly unlikely I will have similar dreams about any car that doesn't let me use a clutch, no matter how high its performance might be. Driving my friend's M3 convertible with paddle shifters was an incredible experience; its performance was light years ahead of the Datsun, but I felt like I was almost along for the ride by comparison. Driving that same friend's Honda S2000 (he'd sold the M3) with a six-speed stick, all was right with the world. :D
 
HXGuy said:
I've been following this forum for the past couple months and what I find crazy from reading all these posts is how careful you guys have been with your cars and yet are still having problems (referring to the hot weather people), but even for the people in cooler weather, all the precautions and knowledge you have to have.

When you bought your cars, did the sales guy go over all these things about not charging to 100% all the time? Or not letting it sit at 100% or not QCing too often or are these items you learned about from the owner's manual or here on the forums? When I was planning on leasing a while back, I figured I would plug the car in every night to 100% so that I had the range in case I needed it the next day. Only after reading on here that it's not good to do that I learned you're not supposed to.

Maybe it's just me but I think it's nuts to have to be this careful driving your car. Imagine if ICE cars were like this and you had to monitor every little thing and be so careful. I really had no idea that these cars were this high maintenance, I thought you could pretty much drive them like a normal car except for the plugging in part. Being a Nissan LEAF owner sounds like it can be a pretty stressful experience.
Crazy is not owning an electric car.

As with any vehicle, know what you are buying. Nissan wanted me to wait a week so they could have a specialist tell me all about the vehicle. I told them I didn't need it and didn't want to wait - I was on my way down with a check - have the car ready. Think about an ICE and what you needed to learn to maintain and drive it, and you will see the Nissan Leaf is far easier to learn and drive. If it wasn't for automatic transmissions, many people would not even desire an ICE, and many others would never figure out how to operate it safely. Likely a way to get more people to use mass transit is outlawing the automatic transmission - that would clear a lot of roads. Ever been stuck in traffic and have to clutch the car every time you want to move up a couple feet? Gets old real fast.

It is nuts to own a vehicle you would worry about. If you need the max range every day this is not going to be a happy choice for you. Most people (Even most that have lost a bit of battery capacity, or live in cold climates) ony use about half the battery in a day (Nice to have the excess, but actually needing it is rare - the range meter is designed to caution you and it can read low numbers even when you have a lot of battery capacity to use. Knowing how it works removes the stress it creates in new owners. Electricity is everywhere, so gaining access to it is a stress creator, not the vehicle itself. Want to plug in a laptop and no one bats an eye, but somehow a car battery is different. Most other vehicles carry a combustable liquid that smells bad and can catch fire from a static electricity discharge while refueling. People accept that as the price to get around. That is nuts. So it isn't just you, the world is nuts, and the Nissan Leaf is a bit of sanity. Glad you are seriously considering one.

As for stress - so much stress relief from going electric, especially in the reliablility arena. No starter, no clutch, no transmission, no smog check, no oil change, no refill and no budgeting my income for fuel costs. Oh, and at least less worry about my contribution to the global warming thing - still have concerns about that, but hey, I am doing something which is better than ignoring it. Yes I now have solar power to offset my electricity use.

As for fun, charging to 100% detracts from the fun I have while driving the Nissan Leaf. Driving a power plant can only be done if you have some battery capacity to fuel up. I have over 18,000 miles on this car, and I still have a blast creating energy every time I slow down. I drive mountain roads and still have 95%+ of my brake pads, and often pass other motorists when it is safe to do so - which requires less space and planning than in an iCE due to the instant torque. After passing, unlike with an ICE, I slow the excess speed with a bit of regeneration, and nothing is wasted. Great feeling, and great stress relief. The joy ride has been found, and it is electric.

One stress point I do have that is related to this topic - Not enough people are going fully electric and many car companies are only building compliance EV's. That is very sad and I would fear being unable to buy another EV ten or so years from now, but Tesla's model S has removed that stress point pretty well. With that car company out there, and the model S now being on the road, I am confident that I will have at least one EV when I opt to replace the Nissan Leaf.
 
Great post. In fact on days when I didnt have a reason to go out, or had to drive my ICE because my wife took the Leaf, I have taken the Leaf out for a spin the next day as a stress reliever.

Need to get my daily EV fix. To me driving the Leaf is a great stress reliever.
 
davewill said:
I have always preferred manual transmissions,...

Me too. Interesting. I wonder at the fraction of Leaf drivers that preferred manual transmissions, which is a minority of drivers in the USA (~6% of cars have manual shifters). Based on this discussion, I'd guess that the rate of previous manual transmission ownership is higher than average, something I had never thought about before.
 
WetEV said:
davewill said:
I have always preferred manual transmissions,...

Me too. Interesting. I wonder at the fraction of Leaf drivers that preferred manual transmissions, which is a minority of drivers in the USA (~6% of cars have manual shifters). Based on this discussion, I'd guess that the rate of previous manual transmission ownership is higher than average, something I had never thought about before.


Me three. But not necessarily for the grind of a highway commute. "Down into second. Clip the apex..." :D
 
LEAF is always in the right gear. I have yet to drive an automatic transmission that I am happy with.
I find automatics to be stressful as they are always downshifting when I don't want or upshifting too soon or late.
 
smkettner said:
LEAF is always in the right gear. I have yet to drive an automatic transmission that I am happy with.
I find automatics to be stressful as they are always downshifting when I don't want or upshifting too soon or late.

Yes, exactly! A manual transmission is a way for you to get what you want, but it is only an approximation and compromise. Each gear only keeps you *near* the peak of the powerband for a brief window of rpm, then it's time to shift and seek another gear that's closer.

I keep comparing the LEAF powertrain to the RX-8 which it replaced. The RX-8 "rotary" engine was an approximation and mechanical compromise. The 6-speed transmission was an approximation and mechanical compromise. They were both approximations of what you get naturally when using an electric motor for propulsion.

Of course even an electric motor has limits and eventually electric racing cars and probably sports cars will have transmissions to get the very last drop of performance. But that is really gilding the lilly at this point!
 
WetEV said:
davewill said:
I have always preferred manual transmissions,...
Me too. Interesting. I wonder at the fraction of Leaf drivers that preferred manual transmissions, which is a minority of drivers in the USA (~6% of cars have manual shifters). Based on this discussion, I'd guess that the rate of previous manual transmission ownership is higher than average, something I had never thought about before.
Add me as another manual transmission driver: prior to the LEAF my three cars, beginning in 1973, have all been manual, totaling 400K miles. Although I learned to drive in an automatic transmission car, the family station wagon, I have very little experience with them. Once I drove a manual transmission I found it more fun and more efficient in gas mileage, and never looked back.

I did find it a bit difficult to shift between the LEAF and my manual ICE car at first. Now I consciously pay attention to the fact that I am in the ICE, and that it is different, before turning the key.

I think that the reason so many here are/were manual transmission drivers is that those who post at MNL tend to include a higher proportion of car enthusiasts than the general population. And car enthusiasts are much more highly skewed to manual transmission drivers, IMO.
 
Well here's one chap who obviously thought it was too stressful:

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/stress-causes-british-motorist-trade-leaf-volt-48133.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a jessy!
 
mwalsh said:
Well here's one chap who obviously thought it was too stressful:

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/stress-causes-british-motorist-trade-leaf-volt-48133.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a jessy!
This guy should never have bought a LEAF.

Perhaps he was a victim of false expectations b/c of the advertised 100mi range, but I can't sympathize with someone who didn't do the research required when switching to a new technology. The LEAF isn't a car that will work for everybody and he didn't do his due diligence to see it wouldn't work for him. He should've used this forum, as plenty of others interested in the LEAF have done, and figured out it wouldn't have the range he needed.
 
the car is not a good fit for a traveling salesman.
you need to match the equipment to your task.
you dont take a plug in drill to the beach or to work on a house that has no electric service.
 
thankyouOB said:
you need to match the equipment to your task.
you dont take a plug in drill to the beach or to work on a house that has no electric service.
Heh heh. What do you take then? A gas-powered drill?? ;-)

Ha! Couldn't help but equate "plug-in drill" to "plug-in car" when I read that. (Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean though.)
 
Christopher said:
thankyouOB said:
you need to match the equipment to your task.
you dont take a plug in drill to the beach or to work on a house that has no electric service.
Heh heh. What do you take then? A gas-powered drill?? ;-)

Ha! Couldn't help but equate "plug-in drill" to "plug-in car" when I read that. (Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean though.)


with a battery pack and maybe a spare or two?
 
mwalsh said:
Well here's one chap who obviously thought it was too stressful:

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/stress-causes-british-motorist-trade-leaf-volt-48133.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a jessy!

It's really too bad that aggressive drivers are allowed to control the agenda, to the point where people claim to be afraid for their lives to travel at the speed limit or (heaven forbid) a few mph under.

If someone wants to exceed an arbitrary limit, and does so in a safe manner I personally have no objection. But if they are placing others in fear of their lives with aggressive behavior, that is really sociopathic. Worse let, we are letting them be in charge!?

It really is too bad that law enforcement focuses on a single metric of speed rather than the far greater problem of aggressive and dangerous behavior. We really need unmarked vehicles out there to weed this out, imho.

Sure there is such a thing as a speed so slow as to be unsafe. But that ain't 65 in a 65, or even 55 in a 65. It's the bozos who engage in tailgating and ill-advised lane changes who create the problem. Worse yet, we are letting them be in charge!?
 
mwalsh said:
Well here's one chap who obviously thought it was too stressful:

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/stress-causes-british-motorist-trade-leaf-volt-48133.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a jessy!

Running totally out of juice in a Leaf is EVERY BIT as preventable as running out of gas with an ICE. This twit managed to do it TWICE. If he didn't trade in his Leaf, Nissan should have insisted upon it. Some drivers give the car a bad name.

How about some nice articles about the -other- 99% of Leaf owners who haven't experienced -any- difficulty? You know, the ones with half a brain...
 
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