charging infrastructure supporting NACS

[cwerdna]

From https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=631995#p631995:

Maybe I'll start another thread about this:
https://twitter.com/ABBNorthAmerica/status/1667139962830041091 says that ABB is adding NACS as an option on their products. ABB makes many models of DC FCs.

I suggest instead a thread consolidating all the charger infrastructure universe transition to NACS. We can cover manufacturers, installers, port conversions, and adapters.

In that vein:
1. EVGO has said they will add NACS to their stations
2. Flo (mostly in Canada I think) will also add NACS to their stations

Adapters:
Tesla will design and manufacture NACS -> CCS adapters for legacy GM and Ford EVs. 'Expected in 2024'. I have my doubts that other CCS cars will be excluded, but I suppose it is possible for non-technical reasons. I'll guess more likely that the payment process will be less elegant and prone to the same handshaking time-outs as the present CCS system.

Let's continue.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/blink-launch-fast-charger-evs-with-teslas-charging-port-2023-06-12/

June 12 (Reuters) - Electric vehicle charging equipment makers Blink Charging (BLNK.O), ChargePoint (CHPT.N) and Tritium (DCFC.O) said on Monday they will offer chargers with Tesla's connector, as the standard Combined Charging System (CCS) connector falls out of favor with automakers

 

[SageBrush]

^^ Nice addition, thanks

 

[cwerdna]

SK Signet Adds NACS Capabilities to its EV Charger Line-up
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sk-signet-adds-nacs-capabilities-to-its-ev-charger-line-up-301852310.html
"MCLEAN, Va., June 15, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- SK Signet, a leading global provider of electric vehicle (EV) charging solutions, announced today that it is adding North American Charging Standard (NACS) connection capabilities to the product design of its ultra-fast chargers. SK Signet has started development of chargers that meet NACS standards and expects to release a compliant product in 2023."

More stories on this:
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2023/06/20230616-signet.html
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/06/19/sk-signet-nacs-chargers/

 

[SageBrush]

Auto Manufacturers: Rivian goes NACS

States: Texas is now going to require NACS and CCS. This is a change from being anti-NACS a year ago

 

[WetEV]

Washington State to requires NACS for state funded chargers.

https://electrek.co/2023/06/23/washington-will-be-2nd-state-to-require-tesla-nacs-for-public-charger-money/


VW is said to be waiting for a real standard to be released. Controlled by a real standards organization.

 

[SageBrush]

VW is said to be waiting for a real standard to be released. Controlled by a real standards organization.

Translation: VW is dithering by parroting the CCS lobby group.

 

[WetEV]

VW is said to be waiting for a real standard to be released. Controlled by a real standards organization.

Translation: VW is dithering by parroting the CCS lobby group.

Having a real standards organization would prevent Space Karen from messing things up for LOLs.

 

[SageBrush]

Evercharge is (I think) a DC charger distributor, though I have never heard of them. They are NACS gung-ho

https://insideevs.com/news/673620/evercharge-supports-nacs-superior-ccs1/


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As an aside, it sure would be a nice side effect if the consolidation around NACS was to lead to significant decreases in DC fast charger prices.

 

[cwerdna]

I've never seen their DC FCs before but I used their L2 EVSEs in Torrance at https://www.plugshare.com/location/331536 in Dec 2021. I added the night time label pic. I wouldn't say they're a household name either as I've not seen their equipment elsewhere. I'd taken a road trip down to So Cal.

This is the first and only time I've seen a Volta setup where they had 1 or 2 large signs for ads and then the EVSEs were just smaller units in a row w/o a large enclosure.

 

[SageBrush]

Chargepoint will add NACS to their DC charging network

 

[SageBrush]

EV manufacturer: Volvo to adopt NACS port in 2025, use adapter in meantime

https://electrek.co/2023/06/27/volvo-joins-tesla-nacs-adopt-connector-on-future-evs/

 

[cwerdna]

This is sorta divergent but I think this is pretty big news. Was quite a shocker to me when someone at work posted it this morning.

SAE to standardize Tesla NACS charging connector
https://www.sae.org/news/2023/06/sae-to-standardize-nacs-charging-connector

https://insideevs.com/news/674092/sae-standardize-tesla-nacs-charging-connector/

 

[jjeff]

So I've been reading up on the NACS standard and is this just for QC? I mean I sure hope they don't do away with the J1772 standard I have on all my EVSEs! If they do ditch J1772 what's going to happen to all the J1772 EVSEs in both residential and commercial locations? I personally could care less about the QC connector as I never use it and for that I'm glad they are planning on standardizing and not having 3 QC standards but please don't tell me this will mean an end to J1772......

 

[cwerdna]

Who knows if J1772 will end?

That said, "NACS" is a single small connector that supports L1 and L2 AC charging + DC fast charging.

All US-Tesla Model S and newer come with https://shop.tesla.com/product/sae-j1772-charging-adapter so that they can use J1772. They could use CHAdeMO with the discontinued https://web.archive.org/web/20210309023825/https://shop.tesla.com/product/chademo-adapter. Current Teslas (and newer ones, long story) that have CCS hardware can also use CCS1 via https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter.

They can be AC charged via J1772, https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector or https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector. They can be DC FCed via https://www.tesla.com/supercharger besides the above.

I do wonder if PHEVs will continue to ship with J1772 instead of NACS, or will there end up being AC-only NACS vehicles (can't be DC FCed)...

 

[jjeff]

So you are saying newer Teslas still come with the J1772 adapter? I guess I thought the adapter was dropped with newer model S's and all other Teslas to save costs but maybe that was just the CHAdeMO adapter that was now optional....
I guess if all new cars with NACS come with a J1772 adapter that would be acceptable to me and I suppose at some point as all the J1772 EVSEs die and become replaced they will be replaced with NACS EVSEs and at that point mfgs. will drop the free adapter or make it an optional item for those with legacy working J1772 EVSEs.
Not that I was planning on purchasing any more J1772 EVSEs but this news will defiantly curtail any new J1772 equipment for me, even if a great deal, I can see the writing on the wall and it's not good for J1772

 

[cwerdna]

So you are saying newer Teslas still come with the J1772 adapter? I guess I thought the adapter was dropped with newer model S's and all other Teslas to save costs

Yes on the first. No on the latter.

but maybe that was just the CHAdeMO adapter that was now optional....

CHAdeMO adapter was NEVER standard in the US. It also was quietly discontinued for the US over a year ago. You can browse snapshots at https://web.archive.org/web/20210930141803/https://shop.tesla.com/product/chademo-adapter.

What they stopped including is their mobile connector, which is their portable L1/L2 EVSE.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/17/23029094/tesla-no-longer-include-mobile-chargers-every-car-purchase
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector

 

[SageBrush]

Electrify America (EA) to add NACS to their network

https://electrek.co/2023/06/29/electrify-america-blink-tesla-nacs-connector-ev-chargers/

 

[SageBrush]

VW in talks with Tesla to add NACS to their cars

https://electrek.co/2023/06/29/volkswagen-talks-tesla-adopt-nacs-connector/

 

[belanger]

In North America Chamedo is dying, hopefully someone in the future will come up with a solution to replace the Chamedo port with NACS.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

We need an adapter....one under ~$1500

That said, there a few new US V2G trials, and the Chademo still can help in that niche.