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Interesting... I haven't followed Bolt EV or EUV pricing at all lately, but GM is at quite a disadvantage in price due to no tax credit vs. everyone else non-Tesla that is eligible for $7500.

Bolt EUV might be a tough sell vs. https://electrek.co/best-electric-vehicle-prices/#Volkswagen that the full tax credit and over double the DC FC speed and 3 years of EA charging credit.
 
^^^ While a larger pack/more range would be welcome, boosting the FC rate is more critical at the moment if anyone wants to use the cars for more than local trips; a heat pump would be my second most important improvement. I haven't seen anything that even rises to the level of a rumor about faster Bolt & EUV charging speeds, just lots of articles mentioning the need, which is obvious now that 100kW and higher CCS chargers are proliferating and virtually every other 200+ mile BEV can FC faster. I consider any newish BEV with a max. charge rate below 1.5C to be essentially non-competitive these days, and ideally I want 1.5C or better as the average rate up to 80%. The ID.4 meets the first requirement, but not the second.
 
cwerdna said:
Interesting... I haven't followed Bolt EV or EUV pricing at all lately, but GM is at quite a disadvantage in price due to no tax credit vs. everyone else non-Tesla that is eligible for $7500.

Bolt EUV might be a tough sell vs. https://electrek.co/best-electric-vehicle-prices/#Volkswagen that the full tax credit and over double the DC FC speed and 3 years of EA charging credit.
I agree with you, the 22 Bolt and Bolt EUV are still too high since you can't get the $7500 tax credit. I would choose the ID4 over the EUV because of the price, larger interior and cargo room.
 
Triggerhappy007 said:
cwerdna said:
Interesting... I haven't followed Bolt EV or EUV pricing at all lately, but GM is at quite a disadvantage in price due to no tax credit vs. everyone else non-Tesla that is eligible for $7500.

Bolt EUV might be a tough sell vs. https://electrek.co/best-electric-vehicle-prices/#Volkswagen that the full tax credit and over double the DC FC speed and 3 years of EA charging credit.
I agree with you, the 22 Bolt and Bolt EUV are still too high since you can't get the $7500 tax credit. I would choose the ID4 over the EUV because of the price, larger interior and cargo room.

The government is working on restating the tax credit for all manufacturers cars priced under $40000
 
GCR:
2017-2019 Chevy Bolt fire recall: GM will replace all battery modules

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...-outside-gm-renews-caution-over-fire-concerns


GM has confirmed that it plans to replace all 68,667 Chevrolet Bolt EV electric cars that have potentially defective battery modules—including 50,925 in the U.S.—with new battery modules. . . .

GM hasn't yet finalized this with a revised recall filing or confirmed a timeline for what will be a massive repair effort for the company. However it issued the following statement: "As part of GM’s commitment to safety, experts from GM and LG have identified the simultaneous presence of two rare manufacturing defects in the same battery cell as the root cause of battery fires in certain Chevrolet Bolt EVs. As a result, GM will replace recalled vehicles’ lithium ion battery modules with new lithium ion battery modules. We will notify customers when replacement parts are ready."

The company emphasized Tuesday that the plan could still change. "If we determine a different remedy after additional investigation then we will adjust, but right now the plan is to replace all modules," said spokesperson Kevin Kelly to Green Car Reports.

GM hasn't yet finalized this with a revised recall filing or confirmed a timeline for what will be a massive repair effort for the company. However it issued the following statement: "As part of GM’s commitment to safety, experts from GM and LG have identified the simultaneous presence of two rare manufacturing defects in the same battery cell as the root cause of battery fires in certain Chevrolet Bolt EVs. As a result, GM will replace recalled vehicles’ lithium ion battery modules with new lithium ion battery modules. We will notify customers when replacement parts are ready."

The company emphasized Tuesday that the plan could still change. "If we determine a different remedy after additional investigation then we will adjust, but right now the plan is to replace all modules," said spokesperson Kevin Kelly to Green Car Reports. . . .

Now, GM will replace the battery modules at no cost to owners. Until then, GM continues to advise owners of the affected vehicles to walk a fine line when it comes to charging and follow three steps.

Regardless of if the vehicle had the software update, affected Bolt EVs should limit charging to 90% using Hilltop Reserve mode (2017-2018 models) or Target Charge Level mode (2019 models). Owners can ask a dealer for help if they're uncomfortable changing the settings.

The second action is that owners should also not deplete their battery below 70 miles of remaining range and should charge the battery after each use.

Lastly, and "out of an abundance of caution," customers should leave the vehicle outside immediately after charging and not charge overnight.

All of the incidents involved a fire originating around the vehicles’ battery packs, when the cars were plugged in and nearly fully charged. GM noted that none of the vehicles affected have the “design level N2.1” cells that GM transitioned to in mid-2019. Those unaffected cells were made in Holland, Michigan, rather than Ochang, South Korea, for the earlier ones. . . .

Customers may contact 1-833-EVCHEVY or their dealership with questions, or check the Bolt EV recall page for more information.
 
^^ That did not age well

A 2020 Bolt outside the recall burned yesterday
A video is up on YouTube. It looks like another parked car caught the proceedings
 
SageBrush said:
^^ That did not age well

A 2020 Bolt outside the recall burned yesterday
A video is up on YouTube. It looks like another parked car caught the proceedings
Yes, TIL of https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/.

I've redacted a bunch of info for now per Telek's request (https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/page-2#post-635838), but earlier, I did look up what I read as the CA plate number, which if read correctly and via another site, confirmed it was a '20 Bolt. I also found who might be the driver and his work (via LinkedIn). I'm keeping it mum for the time being as I'd rather the driver not be swamped w/inquiries, for now.

If it really was a '20 Bolt and not due to some external factor/damage to the pack, that is truly troubling as no '20+ Bolts are part of the recall.

Also, I made another remark about the "advanced diagnostics" software which adds extra monitoring at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/apparently-a-2020-bolt-has-suffered-a-battery-fire.40011/#post-635826. AFAIK, it's n/a for '20 Bolts and only available for all '17 to '19 (recalled ones and non-recalled '19).

Hoping we get some more details soon...

Update: The video's been removed and I guess the victim doesn't want a bunch of publicity. I still have my notes...

From what I recall, the green light was on solid on the car, so it was either done charging or not charging. Firefighters did cut open the hood. Looked like fire started from the back w/smoke w/increasing in volume and eventually very visible flames.

Update 2: Telek/Sean has confirmed it was a '20 Bolt and posted some more info in one of the Bolt EV/EUV groups. I'm guessing he will post another piece on Elecrtek soon and update https://allev.info/2021/07/list-of-known-chevy-bolt-fires/. This is becoming disturbing.

Update 3: The 1st URL has been updated w/the known info/summary, so far.
 
Oh boy. Now all '17 to 22 Bolts including EUV are being recalled.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevroletevgroup/permalink/1467915033565400/

Will write more later when I’m at a keyboard.
 
Interesting video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9HbHZXEEDs from https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/pouch-cells-no-buffer-the-underlying-problem.40027/#post-636698 about LG Chem's stacking and folding process described on page 6 of https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/03/f10/arravt001_es_koo_2012_p.pdf.

I didn't realize this until the chatter there. I don't believe Leaf's AESC (different company) pouch cells having this folding at all. I believe theirs are just stacked.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
So another model 3 fire. Why doesn't Tesla face the same scrutiny as GM, and potential recalls?

https://youtube.com/shorts/UDbWr0KmNUw?feature=share
I believe that case was arson.

For reference, if the YouTube video goes away, this was the relevant text there:
Fire engulfs Tesla Model 3 in North Park, San Diego...
...
Aug 3, 2021
...
Citizen Free Press
5.05K subscribers

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/someone-lit-my-car-cover-on-fire-and-my-tesla-model-3-burnt-to-the-ground.235793/
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/watch-tesla-torched-by-arsonist-sdpd/2679481/
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
So another model 3 fire. Why doesn't Tesla face the same scrutiny as GM, and potential recalls?

https://youtube.com/shorts ...
Because normal people are not bamboozled by fringe propaganda outlets
 
TIL from looking at https://electrek.co/2021/07/28/everything-we-know-about-the-chevy-bolt-ev-fires/ via one of Sean's posts that it seems to have a more complete list of Bolt fires than https://allev.info/2021/07/list-of-known-chevy-bolt-fires/.

In particular, TIL of these the below. I'd heard rumors about these on Bolt FB groups where IIRC Sean was looking for more info, and I guess he got it. These both were on 2019 Bolts and the latter had a US battery and thus at the time wasn't subject to recall, just like the '20 that caught fire.
July 25, 2021 – Chandler, AZ
July 25, 2021 – Glen Ellyn, IL
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/pa3q7a/firerecall_faqroundup_2/

This is my latest roundup post and will contain all the latest information that we know about the fire recall. I have a lot more information and will have a fuller update out tomorrow or Tuesday, but I wanted to get this out as soon as I could.
ELI5 (EXPLAIN LIKE I'M FIVE)

You're going to effectively get a new battery. This will take time, so be patient. GM has finally stood up to LG and will do what they can to do right by all us owners. In the mean time, follow the instructions below to reduce your risk.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?

All 2017-2019 are going to get new replacement modules that will bring the battery capacity to 66kWh and range up to 259 miles EPA (8% increase to original range, same as 2020+).The priority will go to highest risk first - we're told early 2019s which do deep discharges. Then proceed based on risk level.

The 2020+ model years will get new replacement modules unless a process can be devised which will allow detection of faulty modules in the field. If this happens, then refurbished modules may be used to replace the defective modules in order to speed up the replacement cycle and reduce waste, and non-defective modules will be left. After you get the replacement, you will be back to full range (or upgraded range for 2017-2019), with no restrictions. Everyone will get a new 8-year 100k mile warranty effective date of service.

No modules are available yet as all have the potential problems. Until GM can ensure safe cells are produced and in vehicles, no replacements will be done and there is a stop sale on all Bolts of all years.

https://electrek.co/2021/08/20/gm-expands-bolt-recall-to-all-chevy-bolts-blames-supplier-lg/
 
WHAT THE HECK IS A MODULE?

The battery contains 288 cells, split into 10 modules in 5 serviceable pairs called rows. GM's PR team is referring to the row as a module, so from their communications there are 5 modules in a Bolt battery. Using their parlance, four modules have 60 cells, and the fifth module (on top under the rear seat) has 48 cells.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPLACING ALL MODULES AND REPLACING THE BATTERY?

The battery contains a lot of electronics, wiring, relays, the battery computer, and the battery shell (which is a very strong structural member of the car). There are no problems with these components, so they do not need to be replaced. The net result is that you will have the core components of your battery - the actual cells - brand new. That's the important part.
WHY AREN'T THEY JUST REPLACING ALL BATTERIES?

For speed and cost. It's cheaper and way easier to ship modules, and the division of labor will allow quicker turnaround times by just replacing the modules in the field.
WHAT ARE THE DETAILS ON THE PROBLEM?

GM has found the manufacturing processes that can cause a torn anode (battery tab) and folded separators present in all LG lines that produced Bolt cells, in both South Korea and both plants in the United States. As a result all Bolts are potentially at risk. More details on this tomorrow.
HOW WILL GM ENSURE THAT THE NEW CELLS ARE SAFE?

They will be able to, I've spoken to them, more on this tomorrow.
HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE?

We don't know exactly yet, but more on this tomorrow.
WHICH DEALERS WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS?

The module replacement is a relatively straight forward thing, and there are enough checks within the car and the process that it is safe for any EV certified technician to do. Any dealer that sells the Bolt must have at least one EV certified technician on staff. It's significantly easier than replacing an engine, for example. If you do not know which dealers have an EV certified technician you can call the concierge (see below).
WHAT CAN I DO TO REDUCE MY RISK?

If you can: reduce your charging limit to 90% (or hilltop reserve on 2017-2018), and do not run below about 30% state of charge. If you can't do this, then either get as close as you can or ask GM to provide a free loaner or rental (see below). Park outside away from anything flammable or that could be damaged by massive amounts of water.

Either way - use departure mode charging to only charge up before you leave. Do not leave the vehicle charging unattended. Avoid deep discharging - plug in as soon as you can. You can use OBD2 to check for cell voltages or to dive deep into your car's data if you want low level information. - https://allev.info/boltpids/

You could also get a wireless interconnected smoke alarm that ties in with your house alarm, and put it in the rear seat of your Bolt. This may give you a few minutes extra notice.

You can also get a "J1772 extension" cable to give you more length to charge outdoors. Just search in Google or Amazon for that term.
WHAT IF I CAN'T DO FOLLOW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS?

Do as much as you can. It will not impact your ability to have warranty or get your battery modules replaced. If you don't accept the risk, GM will provide you with a loaner or rental. See below.
SHOULD I CHARGE AT L1 OR DCFC OR REDUCED CURRENT?

No - the safest charging is Level 2 32A. This is closest to the "sweet spot" of charging speed for lithium ion. Slower than that or DCFC is less ideal. If these are your only choice, then you can use them.
WHAT DO I NEED TO DO NOW?

At the moment, follow the recommendations above. There is no known timeline yet for safe modules to be manufactured and thus available for replacements. There is no point in calling your dealer yet.

If you have a 2017-2019 and have not yet had the software update, get it done. This is for 2017-2019 only, 2022 already has this, 2020-2021 is not available yet. It adds an alarm that will go off if a fire is detected. This will give you several minutes more notice.
IS GM STILL DOING BUYBACKS AND/OR MSRP SWAPS?

They may still pursue buybacks depending on your local laws, however all MSRP swaps are stopped since there is a stop sale on all Bolts.
WHAT ARE THE DETAILS ON THE FIRES THAT HAVE OCCURRED?

I maintain a list with all the publicly known details. I have also interviewed many of the owners to have first-hand information on the situations.
HOW DOES THE FIRE PROGRESS?

Each fire is different, but the battery first will produce copious amounts of smoke. This will last for at least 15 minutes possibly up to an hour before fire erupts. The most likely spot for fire to erupt is under the rear seat due to the metal shell of the battery and that's where a plastic fuse holder is located. Once fire erupts, the car will be engulfed within a few minutes if not drowned in water.

WHAT IF THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE?

You have several options available:

If you are still concerned, or need help, contact GM's concierge line at 1-833-EVCHEVY.
Other numbers: 1-800-333-0510 or 1-819-994-3328 to speak with a defect investigator.
You can be get a loaner vehicle or a rental car at GM's expense and they will store your Bolt - just call them.
You can also request a buyback via the concierge line. This is also available to lessees.

Let me know if you have any other questions, I will update the list and discuss with my contacts at GM. We have a very open dialog now that they have stopped caring about what LG thinks.

some forum bug keeping me from pasting the french portion for the Canadians.
 
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