smkettner
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I will be more curious if the Spark outsells the Volt.
It appears to be smaller than a LEAF so I would not think it is a direct competitor. Of course it may be if the LEAF buyers are buying them because they are the only game in town.Herm said:I can smell the collective fear of the Leaf community, relax guys.. its a limited release only.
I must admit that A123 batteries and active cooling is very impressive, hopefully they will match the Leafs cost.
It doesn't really sound like this is a new EV for GM but extensions to others they have experience in (see above). Hard to find a common name that can be used world wide. I've seen products renamed at work because what seems good in one geography is very misinterpreted in others due to subtle meanings or connotations.The official GM media post.
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Oct/1012_SparkEV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Feedback from participants in Chevrolet’s electric vehicle demonstration fleets in Shanghai (Sail EV), Korea (Cruze EV) and India (Beat EV) are being incorporated into the Spark EV.
scottf200 said:It appears to be smaller than a LEAF so I would not think it is a direct competitor. Of course it may be if the LEAF buyers are buying them because they are the only game in town.Herm said:I can smell the collective fear of the Leaf community, relax guys.. its a limited release only.
I must admit that A123 batteries and active cooling is very impressive, hopefully they will match the Leafs cost.
It doesn't really sound like this is a new EV for GM but extensions to others they have experience in (see above). Hard to find a common name that can be used world wide. I've seen products renamed at work because what seems good in one geography is very misinterpreted in others due to subtle meanings or connotations.The official GM media post.
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Oct/1012_SparkEV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Feedback from participants in Chevrolet’s electric vehicle demonstration fleets in Shanghai (Sail EV), Korea (Cruze EV) and India (Beat EV) are being incorporated into the Spark EV.
Isn't it true that the USA market is tiny by comparison to China and India? That means sales in the USA for all EVs (LEAF, Spark, FocusEV, etc) are not that significant on scale.
scottf200 said:A rising tide raises all boats.
scottf200 said:I used 0.17 gallons of gas yesterday 11Oct2011 to go 57.2 miles (temp were modest). Went 48.6 miles on the battery then 8.6 miles on the gas_generator.
Yep, it certainly does. Damn. I was hoping that the SAE connector would stay vaporware for a lot longer.scottf200 said:...doesn't it look like there is a lower flap for the J1772 hybrid L3 vs J1772 L2 ?!?
I think you are not representative of the vast majority of Leaf users. Almost all have a 2nd car and are using gasoline at least occasionally. Even those without a 2nd car may rent a car for long trips and use gas then. I don't see this as substantially different than a Volt driver who's typical daily driving is all electric.LEAFfan said:I use ZERO gasoline and drive completely emissions-free. Two tenths of gasoline is .2 too much AFAIC.
I think it's interesting how you keep referring to your premium-recommended gasoline engine as a 'generator'. Why don't you call it what it is? A generator can't drive the wheels. So you think most people are going to drive less than 70mph on the freeways with their Volt? What do you think happens when they reach 70mph? Their gas engine will begin to drive the wheels. I used to drive the freeways/Interstates all the time, and rarely did I see a car going less than 70mph. Most were going 75 to 85.
LEAFfan said:I use ZERO gasoline and drive completely emissions-free. Two tenths of gasoline is .2 too much AFAIC. I think it's interesting how you keep referring to your premium-recommended gasoline engine as a 'generator'. Why don't you call it what it is? A generator can't drive the wheels. So you think most people are going to drive less than 70mph on the freeways with their Volt? What do you think happens when they reach 70mph? Their gas engine will begin to drive the wheels. I used to drive the freeways/Interstates all the time, and rarely did I see a car going less than 70mph. Most were going 75 to 85.
davewill said:Yep, it certainly does. Damn. I was hoping that the SAE connector would stay vaporware for a lot longer.
It boggles mine, too, although I DID reject the Volt because it used gas, and because when running as a hybrid its mileage is unacceptable...although I'd definitely consider it if I was a one car household.adric22 said:It boggles the mind, it does. I considered buying a Volt. In the end the price and styling of the Leaf is what swayed me that direction. Certainly nothing to do with the Volt having a gasoline engine inside of it.
Not for us.TRONZ said:So would a Volt be the perfect second car for a Spark owner??? How many Volt owners have a second gas car as well???
I think Volt's concept is good - but execution not so much. But what really bothers people is GM's antics around it. All the lies they told early on - and then the anti-EV rhetoric and FUD to promote Volt vs Leaf. They didn't want to attack gas hoggers that they mostly sell and make money off of - but they wanted to attack an EV !! Why ?adric22 said:You guys are ridiculous. I always saw it that people who drive a Leaf or a Volt are on the same team. Why all the bickering? You'd think somebody jumped on here and said they driver a Hummer and want to crush your Leaf with it. I post things every now and then on the Volt forum and I've had people insult me over there for driving a Leaf. It boggles the mind, it does. I considered buying a Volt. In the end the price and styling of the Leaf is what swayed me that direction. Certainly nothing to do with the Volt having a gasoline engine inside of it.
"We welcome it, competition is great for this segment, we encourage it"....."Again, another vehicle, the Spark, increases awareness, it's going to increase the segment size and increase the business for everyone."
Amen.mwalsh said:Official Nissan response to the Spark:
Brendan Jones said:"We welcome it, competition is great for this segment, we encourage it"....."Again, another vehicle, the Spark, increases awareness, it's going to increase the segment size and increase the business for everyone."
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