Exactly? :lol:misterno said:The result is cost is exactly same
misterno said:I have to convince the wifey first
BrockWI said:Sit in the back of a Yaris and then sit in the back of the Leaf, no comparison Personally I feel the same about the front seat as well. They are not really comparable cars in my opinion.
Just curious what numbers did you use to get $.10 a mile for fuel for the Yaris? Our TDI is at 7.94 cents a mile at 48.72 mpg (last tank) where the Leaf is 1.44 cents a mile for 158 miles consuming 36 kwh at $.0631/KWh.
As Forummm noted historically gas has gone up significantly faster in cost than electricity and I would bet that trend will continue.
Where I live, you can prepay electricity for 25 years for a price of about $0.05/kWh with photovoltaics.misterno said:well where I live, power prices are going up faster than gas
Of course a parking brake actuator could set you back $3500 at any moment on the Leaf, but we'll ignore that.Moof said:Battery replacement should get the Leaf to 200-250k total miles.
NeilBlanchard said:Why are you including the battery replacement costs? Who has bought a new battery?
Shouldn't you include regular maintenance costs?
Even at 19.2¢/kWh we are paying ~5¢ / mile to drive a Leaf, and a Yaris will cost an additional 2-3¢/mile for regular maintenance costs.
Environmental claim is a myth: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093657_buying-a-new-car-is-greener-than-driving-an-old-one-really" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Moof said:Pretty much though, the best thing you can generally do for the environment (and your pocketbook) is to drive whatever car you already have into the ground. A few gas guzzlers in the <15 MPG category will be better off retiring early, but usually the damage to the environment can't be undone once a vehicle rolls off the assembly line.
Indeed. The Yaris isn't a very good car (still scoring too low to recommend in Consumer Reports tests). Try flooring the Leaf and the Yaris then feeling and hearing the NVH (noise, harshness and vibration) of each, in comparison.BrockWI said:Sit in the back of a Yaris and then sit in the back of the Leaf, no comparison Personally I feel the same about the front seat as well. They are not really comparable cars in my opinion.
and try stopping by a dealer shop with a 2-3 yr. old Toyota or Honda. "Sir, you are due for your 30K inspection....that will be $700 please."NeilBlanchard said:The Leaf has much lower cost maintenance than any ICE. Oil changes and tuneups can cost as much as 3.5¢ / mile if you are going to the dealer. Even wear items like brakes are going to last much longer in the Leaf, because we have regen to do most of the work slowing down.
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