COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

[Oilpan4]

Here is a story that you won't see in the main stream media.
95-96% of prison inmates test positive for the virus and show no symptoms.

You got that very wrong. It should read "95-96% of prison inmates WHO test positive for the virus show no symptoms." There is no figure given for percentage of the prison population who test positive, just the number of inmates who tested positive. Please correct it.

When you say it like that no. Change it your self.

 

[Nubo]

Here is a story that you won't see in the main stream media.
95-96% of prison inmates test positive for the virus and show no symptoms.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

You don't consider Reuters to be mainstream?

 

[Oilpan4]

I didn't realize reuters was now a cable or pime time news network.

 

[LeftieBiker]

You need to either post a list of your unique definitions for common ideas, things and organizations, or maybe just use the accepted ones. Reuters predates the concepts of "Prime Time" and "cable news."

 

[GaleHawkins]

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2...SUjYayFBlORGbiUo9XpaNmB0dIROl6m0c0x4xV2D9wE

We got our healthcare providers back to seeing patients today.

Kentucky
Gov. Andy Beshear is taking steps to reopen the healthcare sector in the state.

Kentucky will begin phase one on April 27, which will include restarting diagnostic, radiology, non-urgent, in-person, office and ambulatory visits.

"We are also going to allow pre-aesthesia testing services to restart in preparation for the surgical ramp up," Beshear said.

Gov. Beshear had issued a "Healthy at Home" order March 25 that is in effect indefinitely.

 

[Oilpan4]

We have made the cure for worse than the disease.

Flaming BS.

Then why don't we shut down the country to prevent 50,000 to 60,000 flu deaths every year?
Please explain how dieing from regular flu is different from dieing from kung-flu19.

 

[WetEV]

We have made the cure for worse than the disease.

Flaming BS.

Then why don't we shut down the country to prevent 50,000 to 60,000 flu deaths every year?
Please explain how dieing from regular flu is different from dieing from kung-flu19.

We shut down the US to have only 100,000 or so deaths from the trumpvirus. Rather than millions.

 

[downeykp]

Wet, they don't understand facts. Fox keeps yelling flu and that is all they hear. They don't understand that if the country was not locked down it would be 10 times worse than the flu. If Teflon Don would have done his fucking job and had half of a brain we would not be where we are.
We went years listening to these assholes cry about Benghazi where a few unfortunate soles died. This man child is responsible for the deaths of thousands but they blindly follow him to everyones peril.

 

[Oilpan4]

Wet, they don't understand facts. Fox keeps yelling flu and that is all they hear. They don't understand that if the country was not locked down it would be 10 times worse than the flu. If Teflon Don would have done his fucking job and had half of a brain we would not be where we are.
We went years listening to these assholes cry about Benghazi where a few unfortunate soles died. This man child is responsible for the deaths of thousands but they blindly follow him to everyones peril.

Let's say thats all true.
Why isn't it 10 times as worse or even a little worse in any one of the 7 states that never enacted a lock down ?
Yes toilets like NY and NJ should shut down, they crammed millions of people into tiny areas, when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

 

[Oilpan4]

Flaming BS.

Then why don't we shut down the country to prevent 50,000 to 60,000 flu deaths every year?
Please explain how dieing from regular flu is different from dieing from kung-flu19.

We shut down the US to have only 100,000 or so deaths from the trumpvirus. Rather than millions.

If let's say millions of people die from flu over 30 years why not shut down or at least restrict the most at risk part of the economy during cold and flu sesson? Such as make nursing home staff take each others temperature when they come to work.
Or even just move part of public school summer break to the peak of flu sesson. That wouldn't cost anything.
Or hell why not shame people who are obviously sick into wearing a mask?
No one ever even attempted anything different for as long as my grandmother has been alive.

 

[WetEV]

If let's say millions of people die from flu over 30 years why not shut down or at least restrict the most at risk part of the economy during cold and flu sesson?

33,000 American deaths per year for 30 years. Almost a million.

Vs

2% death rate * 330 million Americans * 60% infection rate. Almost 4 million. (could be almost twice this!)


So closer would be flu deaths over the next 120 years vs covid19 deaths over the next couple of months.

Deaths over 120 years vs deaths over a few months. Or even 30 years. Or more likely 240 years.

You see no difference there??

Really???

 

[Oilpan4]

If let's say millions of people die from flu over 30 years why not shut down or at least restrict the most at risk part of the economy during cold and flu sesson?

33,000 American deaths per year for 30 years. Almost a million.

Vs

2% death rate * 330 million Americans * 60% infection rate. Almost 4 million. (could be almost twice this!)


So closer would be flu deaths over the next 120 years vs covid19 deaths over the next couple of months.

Deaths over 120 years vs deaths over a few months. Or even 30 years. Or more likely 240 years.

You see no difference there??

Really???

The difference is your fantasy numbers of dead bodies is never going to materialize.

The only chance there would be any possible way china virus could kill 4 million americans is if all the hospitals were overwhelmed with sick and it got to the point where most people where unable to get any kind of medical attention and just died of easy to treat stuff like dehydration or low oxygen.
About 99% of the hospitals never got anywhere near being overwhelmed.
When I search for news articles for "hospitals overwhelmed with coronavirus" they're all NYC, looks like Detroit got hit hard too but not as bad as NYC and then everything else is outside the United States.
No need to treat all 50 states like NYC.
The only places that appear to have been almost overwhelmed were NYC and immediate area nearby plus Detroit.

The totals never got any where near the apocalyptic predictions.

Oh and where are all the deaths in the 7 states that never enacted a lockdown if the only thing saving us was the lockdown?

 

[WetEV]

The difference is your fantasy numbers of dead bodies is never going to materialize.

Exactly. When there is a four hour line of ambulances delivering the covid19 cases to the hospitals in Moscow, even the most uncultured Russians catch on. There is no coronavirus in North Korea, but Kim Jong Un is hiding in his sea side retreat.

To get to 4 million dead we would need to treat this like it was a seasonal flu. Not going to happen. Not even the North Koreans are doing that.

The totals never got any where near the apocalyptic predictions because people changed their behavior, often before the official lockdown.

As for the hinderlands, they have the advantage of being isolated by geography. The test hasn't been graded yet.

 

[cwerdna]

Don't have time to respond in much detail but we already have discussed.

We have made the cure for worse than the disease.
2 years ago 60,000 people died from the flu no one did anything different, it barely made the news. Not one single change was made or store closed.

Seasonal flu typically kills 12K to 61K people in the US per year (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html). CFR (case fatality rate) is about 0.1%

From looking at https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en, CFR for COVID-19 is currently at 5.7%, which is 57x worse. Obviously, testing is a joke in the US and there are have been many more folks infected that never got tested.

90 to 96% accurate isn't "a high number of false positives".

Per https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30885&p=582583&hilit=antibody#p582583, even a test that only gives 5 false positives per 100 people is terrible in a low infection rate population.

HARRIS: Yeah, that is surprising. But here's a simple way to look at it. Say you are running a test that gives five falsely positive results in 100 people. Sounds like pretty good odds, right? But...

INSKEEP: Yeah.

HARRIS: But consider this, Steve - if 5% of a population is infected and you run the test on 100 people, you should get five true positives, but you also have those five false positives.

INSKEEP: Oh.

HARRIS: And Welch says there's no way to know which is which.

WELCH: The tests will be wrong half the time. Half the people will be falsely reassured.

HARRIS: So it's basically a coin flip.

To copy and paste what I wrote already:
To make comparisons to seasonal flu are crazy, the 12K to 61K annual deaths in the US from that (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html) are made with ZERO social distancing efforts, no stay at home orders, no closing of schools, prohibition of visiting nursing homes, no closing of non-essential businesses, no limits on how size of gatherings + people in stores, etc. There is a semi-effective flu vaccine each year that almost half of the US population gets each year AND effective treatments (e.g. tamiflu). Also, humans have built up some immunity to it over time unlike a novel (new) virus.

What I wrote on April 20th that we were past 40K deaths in the US. Now per https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html, on the 29th, we're 58K deaths in the US.

You've seen what happens when people go to choir at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30885&p=582585&hilit=choir#p582585, right? Does flu do that? How about the Smithfield Foods pork processing plant? Look at the examples of plants affected and cases at https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/us-food-processing-plants-become-covid-19-hot-spots?

I posted this at work and haven't had a chance to read the whole thing (from April 22):
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/22/meat-packing-plants-covid-may-force-choice-worker-health-food/2995232001/

And while experts say the industry has thus far maintained sufficient production despite infections in at least 2,200 workers at 48 plants, there are fears that the number of cases could continue to rise and that meatpacking plants will become the next disaster zones.

https://investigatemidwest.org/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19s-impact-on-meatpacking-workers-and-industry/ claims

As of April 28, there have been at least 4,400 reported positive cases tied to meatpacking facilities at 80 plants in 26 states, and at least 18 reported worker deaths at 9 plants in 9 states.

Just go search for COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes in the past month all around the country. Lifecare in Kirkland that got all the attention early on was WAY above the norm in terms of # of deaths per month.

Maybe you should get a free account on TiVoCommunity to look thru this thread?
https://www.tivocommunity.com/community/index.php?threads/for-the-i-worry-more-about-the-flu-crowd.576424/ (title "For the "I worry more about the flu" crowd.... ")

Someone at my work posted this tweet: https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1255323830660276225?s=19.

Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk

5h
Reported US coronavirus deaths on date:

Feb. 28: 0 deaths
Mar. 28: 2,043 deaths
Apr. 28: 58,356 deaths

From looking at the total deaths graph at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/, that's about right. Perhaps you don't understand exponential growth?

 

[WetEV]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-mike-pence-tours-mayo-clinic-without-mask.html

One rule for the him, another rule for everyone else. He is special.

 

[WetEV]

R < 1.0

That's exactly what it takes to open up the economy. Nothing else. If R > 1, number of cases will grow exponentially.

We can reduce R by staying at home and keeping the economy shutdown. Or by wearing a mask, even a cloth mask. Or by a lot of other things such as plexiglass shields and more space between workers. Targeted ventilation.

Or we can crush R by vaccination of a large fraction of the population. Once we have a working vaccine, of course.

 

[LeftieBiker]

Popular Mechanics of all places has links to food cloth masks from reputable sources. I'll post a link. I ordered a three pack for $35 last night. Terry type cloth with elastic ear bands.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/g32252066/where-to-buy-face-masks-online/

 

[Oilpan4]

The difference is your fantasy numbers of dead bodies is never going to materialize.

Exactly. When there is a four hour line of ambulances delivering the covid19 cases to the hospitals in Moscow, even the most uncultured Russians catch on. There is no coronavirus in North Korea, but Kim Jong Un is hiding in his sea side retreat.

To get to 4 million dead we would need to treat this like it was a seasonal flu. Not going to happen. Not even the North Koreans are doing that.

The totals never got any where near the apocalyptic predictions because people changed their behavior, often before the official lockdown.

As for the hinderlands, they have the advantage of being isolated by geography. The test hasn't been graded yet.

I clearly was only talking about inside the United States. Why you care so much about Moscow all of a sudden?

 

[Oilpan4]

Or we can crush R by vaccination of a large fraction of the population. Once we have a working vaccine, of course.

I will believe it when I see it.
I hope they can make a fairly effective vaccine but wouldn't bet the farm on it.
If a vaccine is the only thing that will make you feel safe then you better get used to hiding in your house and stock piling masks like a crazy dooms day prepper.

 

[mwalsh]

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