COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

[Oilpan4]

Don't have time to respond in much detail but we already have discussed.

We have made the cure for worse than the disease.
2 years ago 60,000 people died from the flu no one did anything different, it barely made the news. Not one single change was made or store closed.

Seasonal flu typically kills 12K to 61K people in the US per year (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html). CFR (case fatality rate) is about 0.1%

From looking at https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en, CFR for COVID-19 is currently at 5.7%, which is 57x worse. Obviously, testing is a joke in the US and there are have been many more folks infected that never got tested.

90 to 96% accurate isn't "a high number of false positives".

Per https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30885&p=582583&hilit=antibody#p582583, even a test that only gives 5 false positives per 100 people is terrible in a low infection rate population.

HARRIS: Yeah, that is surprising. But here's a simple way to look at it. Say you are running a test that gives five falsely positive results in 100 people. Sounds like pretty good odds, right? But...

INSKEEP: Yeah.

HARRIS: But consider this, Steve - if 5% of a population is infected and you run the test on 100 people, you should get five true positives, but you also have those five false positives.

INSKEEP: Oh.

HARRIS: And Welch says there's no way to know which is which.

WELCH: The tests will be wrong half the time. Half the people will be falsely reassured.

HARRIS: So it's basically a coin flip.

To copy and paste what I wrote already:
To make comparisons to seasonal flu are crazy, the 12K to 61K annual deaths in the US from that (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html) are made with ZERO social distancing efforts, no stay at home orders, no closing of schools, prohibition of visiting nursing homes, no closing of non-essential businesses, no limits on how size of gatherings + people in stores, etc. There is a semi-effective flu vaccine each year that almost half of the US population gets each year AND effective treatments (e.g. tamiflu). Also, humans have built up some immunity to it over time unlike a novel (new) virus.

What I wrote on April 20th that we were past 40K deaths in the US. Now per https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html, on the 29th, we're 58K deaths in the US.

You've seen what happens when people go to choir at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30885&p=582585&hilit=choir#p582585, right? Does flu do that? How about the Smithfield Foods pork processing plant? Look at the examples of plants affected and cases at https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/us-food-processing-plants-become-covid-19-hot-spots?

I posted this at work and haven't had a chance to read the whole thing (from April 22):
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/04/22/meat-packing-plants-covid-may-force-choice-worker-health-food/2995232001/

And while experts say the industry has thus far maintained sufficient production despite infections in at least 2,200 workers at 48 plants, there are fears that the number of cases could continue to rise and that meatpacking plants will become the next disaster zones.

https://investigatemidwest.org/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19s-impact-on-meatpacking-workers-and-industry/ claims

As of April 28, there have been at least 4,400 reported positive cases tied to meatpacking facilities at 80 plants in 26 states, and at least 18 reported worker deaths at 9 plants in 9 states.

Just go search for COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes in the past month all around the country. Lifecare in Kirkland that got all the attention early on was WAY above the norm in terms of # of deaths per month.

Maybe you should get a free account on TiVoCommunity to look thru this thread?
https://www.tivocommunity.com/community/index.php?threads/for-the-i-worry-more-about-the-flu-crowd.576424/ (title "For the "I worry more about the flu" crowd.... ")

Someone at my work posted this tweet: https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1255323830660276225?s=19.

Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk

5h
Reported US coronavirus deaths on date:

Feb. 28: 0 deaths
Mar. 28: 2,043 deaths
Apr. 28: 58,356 deaths

From looking at the total deaths graph at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/, that's about right. Perhaps you don't understand exponential growth?

It may be time to ask why don't we do anything for flu when we know 60,000 people could die form it, aside from some people getting the flu shot. The military takes it seriously. They make everyone who doesn't have a nasty reaction to the flu shot get it. In my 14 years I only met one guy exempt from getting it.

And I'm totally in "the more worried about flu camp". I read everything I could find on flu during the h1n1 back when it happened. The last 200 years of flu have been brutal even considering international travel was much more limited and the population was much smaller, it still raged in the big cities.

Have you ever seen how they work people in meat plants? Probably not. I have done electrical work in them and I try to avoid them. They pack hundreds of people shoulder to shoulder and they cut up animals for 8 hours a day.
Some places they cram busses full of these people and bus them to the plant from the big city. I was working on one during the ebola scare, I could tell these people never had a chance during any kind of outbreak.

18 deaths out of 4,400 doesn't sound like a disaster. Have to remember that these people are working at or close to minimum wage so they're poor, the vast majority dont appear to exercise, almost all of them smoke.
I'm surprised the death rate isn't higher.

I already did. Last time I checked half the people dieing from this were nursing home occupants.
You would think that a much stronger response would be going to nursing homes. But no. The only state I know of sending an army of resources and personal into nursing homes to help is Florida.

 

[WetEV]

And I'm totally in "the more worried about flu camp".

This kills about 30 times more people than the flu. Only children seem less likely to die from Covid19 than the seasonal flu.

Are you a child?

 

[Oilpan4]

Depends who you ask.

 

[cwerdna]

It may be time to ask why don't we do anything for flu when we know 60,000 people could die form it, aside from some people getting the flu shot. The military takes it seriously. They make everyone who doesn't have a nasty reaction to the flu shot get it. In my 14 years I only met one guy exempt from getting it.

And I'm totally in "the more worried about flu camp".

Since you brought up the military, this 12.5 minute story talks about what the US military has had to do (so far) against COVID-19: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/us-military-army-readiness-coronavirus-60-minutes-2020-04-26/. I recall it covering stuff like boot camp, what to do about people coming into and at NORAD, etc.

This past Sunday's 60 Minutes ep was entirely or almost entirely related to COVID-19.

BTW, when I posted last night, the US was past ~58.3K COVID-19 deaths. Now per https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html, we're at 60,475.

 

[Nubo]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-mike-pence-tours-mayo-clinic-without-mask.html

One rule for the him, another rule for everyone else. He is special.

Out of all those doctors nobody dressed him down for that BS? Are there no adults left in the world?

 

[GRA]

^^^Yeah, you'd think someone would just walk up to him and say, "Mr. Vice President, here's your mask", and hand it to him on camera. Of course, he should have done it himself regardless of how often he's tested, but leading by (good) example isn't a strength of this administration.

 

[LeftieBiker]

Handing him a mask and also explaining, on camera, why he needs it (to head off the "I'm tested often" excuse) would have been great. I'm assuming that they tried doing it via email, and he just blew it off. Because after all, he's covered in the blood of Jesus.

 

[Oilpan4]

The VP looks old like old enough that he should be wearing one. Even of its just a virtue signaling mask that does almost nothing to protect you.

I remember on March 24 coumo said to the rest of the nation "in 3 or 4 weeks you will be where new york is".
Ha! I'm going to call BS on that.
Where I am, a month ago there were 0 china virus deaths, more that a month later it's maybe 1 china virus death per 100,000 and that's rounding up. NY is at like 120 per 100,000.
(4 deaths in 2.2 million people who we know about, not counting all the illegals)
We're never going to get anywhere near NY numbers.

Edit there hasn't been a china virus death in my county, or the county to my north, south, east or west.

 

[cwerdna]

Musk decries ‘facist’ US in bizarre outburst
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news/elon-musk-fascist-rant

He also tweeted about coronavirus panic being “dumb” last month, which sparked a wave of criticism.

“As a basis for comparison, the risk of death from C19 is *vastly* less than the risk of death from driving your car home,” Musk, whose Teslas are equipped with what the company calls a bioweapon defence mode, wrote to SpaceX employees in early March.

Seems like a comparison that didn't age well.

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state currently says "There were 33,654 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2018 in which 36,560 deaths occurred. "

We went from 0 COVID-19 deaths on Feb 28th (well, a couple if you count the recently discovered ones in Santa Clara County) to 60,876 right now per https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html.

Where I am, a month ago there were 0 china virus deaths, more that a month later it's maybe 1 china virus death per 100,000 and that's rounding up. NY is at like 120 per 100,000.
(4 deaths in 2.2 million people who we know about, not counting all the illegals)
We're never going to get anywhere near NY numbers.

Edit there hasn't been a china virus death in my county, or the county to my north, south, east or west.

It would be best if you refrained from calling it "China virus". As an American Born Chinese (ABC) myself (I've never lived any other country), let's not give more ammunition or thoughts to ignorant racists who attack Asians and their businesses. I've only been to China once in my life, in 2008. I know nobody in Wuhan nor Hubei province. I have nothing to do w/wet markets there or what they buy or eat.

COVID-19 and just coronavirus are commonly used names for it.

My county is a Bay Area hotspot but we were amongst the first counties in the US to lock down so our hospitals haven't been overloaded. We've had 107 COVID-19 deaths, so far. NY state is getting well above that each day. I remember a day of ~777 deaths in a day and a recent one that was around 300 in a day.

 

[Oilpan4]

I will call it the commie virus because I know the oppressed people in china didn't create it and they did not spread it intentionally.
No one I know or have heard anywhere "blames Asians for it" or even the Chinese people for it.
The communist chinese government discovered it, played with it to what extent only the government knows, studied it, allowed it to get out probably due to incompetence, knew it had gotten out, knew it was on the lose and allowed it to spread and tried to cover it up.
I refuse to believe any ethnicity is that ill willed toward humanity, only a type of thinking can make certain individuals that malicious towards his fellow man.

 

[cwerdna]

I will call it the commie virus because I know the oppressed people in china didn't create it and they did not spread it intentionally.
No one I know or have heard anywhere "blames Asians for it" or even the Chinese people for it.
The communist chinese government discovered it, played with it to what extent only the government knows, studied it, allowed it to get out probably due to incompetence, knew it had gotten out, knew it was on the lose and allowed it to spread and tried to cover it up.
I refuse to believe any ethnicity is that ill willed toward humanity, only a type of thinking can make certain individuals that malicious towards his fellow man.

Fortunately, I've not been the victim of such racism related to COVID-19, yet.

What you refuse to believe doesn't jive with even what some "news" sources that might be closer to what you believe even report.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-drives-gun-sales-asian-americans
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-man-stabbing-asian-family-coronavirus-fbi-hate-crime
https://www.foxnews.com/us/asian-americans-racist-acts-coronavirus

Here are some others:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/asian-americans-report-influx-of-racist-attacks-since-coronavirus-pandemic-data-finds/2327045/
https://apnews.com/10aaef02fe83f069b78b9944f2a6fea5

Another ABC friend of mine who lives in Colorado mentioned recently on FB about being afraid to go out unless she's accompanied by her (Caucasian) husband now.

 

[WetEV]

I will call it the commie virus

It is the Trumpvirus.

Don The Con Man tried to insult it away. Blamed it on the media and the democrats.

Don The Con Man can't lead, what a jerk.

 

[downeykp]

You need to stop feeding the troll. He has his head so far up Teflon Don's ass he cant see the forest for the mushroom headed dick thats in front of his face.
You all are doing a better job with Covid-19 issues than this murdering asshole of a president and his boot licking administration.
Keep up the good work.

 

[LeftieBiker]

I've taken action about the bigoted wording, so let's all try to dial back the animosity.

 

[Oilpan4]

I will call it the commie virus

It is the Trumpvirus.

Don The Con Man tried to insult it away. Blamed it on the media and the democrats.

Don The Con Man can't lead, what a jerk.

If WetEV can call it the trumpvirus then I can call it the XiVirus.

 

[Oilpan4]

You need to stop feeding the troll. He has his head so far up Teflon Don's ass he cant see the forest for the mushroom headed dick thats in front of his face.
You all are doing a better job with Covid-19 issues than this murdering asshole of a president and his boot licking administration.
Keep up the good work.

I didn't vote for trump and don't plan to.
I plan on staying home and watching trump get reelected with a pint of wild turkey.

 

[WetEV]

It is the Trumpvirus.

Don The Con Man tried to insult it away. Blamed it on the media and the democrats.

Don The Con Man can't lead, what a jerk.

If WetEV can call it the trumpvirus then

I only call it the trumpvirus in response. Trump could have mounted an effective response to the virus, including telling the truth he was being told by the intelligence agencies, but Trump lied and so far 61,656 Americans have died. Officially, of course, many more deaths that are likely coronavirus caused.

 

[WetEV]

Maybe the virus hasn’t infected you or someone you love just yet. But it will. By gathering in groups, the protesters are not just perpetuating a confused, mismatched dichotomy, they are perpetuating COVID-19. They are perpetuating death and loss. And they are extending the crippling of our economy.

It’s obvious that we need to go back to work. It’s obvious that this virus is shattering our economy. But it’s also obvious that people are dying and will continue to die, until our government, doctors, scientists and the general public learn to manage COVID-19. Those who are publicly protesting are putting themselves and their families at unbelievable risk, foreshadowing the fate of this country if states re-open too quickly.

If you find yourself in a hospital bed like I did, I can tell you this: You won’t be thinking about your liberties.

https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-miolene-coronavirus-protests-0424-20200423-wa7hglevynho3e2xpkmxfc7qoy-story.html

 

[lorenfb]

Opposing views;

https://youtu.be/fZM_LlFXYVM?t=9

 

[Oilpan4]

I'm more likely to end up in a hospital because of work or driving to work. And yet I don't hide at home.

Screw new mexico, Texas is opening back up so I'm going to spend the weekend there.