HILL: What's safe to do? What isn't safe to do? And Dr. Juthani, as we look at what we -- what we learned from New York state yesterday, it could give people pause.
Governor Cuomo saying that 66 percent of people -- and he's talking about hospitalizations -- they were people who had been at home. They were either retired or unemployed. They weren't working. They weren't commuting. And so that raises questions about am I doing things right by staying home, if we're seeing people get infected in the highest numbers that were coming in, in New York who were staying home?
KAYYEM: Yes. So when I first saw these data, I was somewhat perplexed by that. Because the national inclination is, well, if they're staying home, how did they get the virus?
But it really made me think about a patient and a family that I took care of. And the patient that I had was an African-American woman who had cancer. And the first person in her house -- so she had COVID, but the first person in her house who got the infection and was admitted to the hospital was her husband, who had an end-stage neurologic condition; and he never left the house. He was bed-bound.
But he had nurses and nurses' aides and physical therapists who came to the house. And then they also had an adult daughter who lived in the house, and they had grandchildren who lived in the house.
And so even though the patient, the index patient who would meet that exact 66 percent that you talked about in New York City, who was admitted to the hospital, never left the house, there were people who were coming into the house for both my patient and her husband.
And so I think we need to delve into those details a little bit more. I think staying home certainly helps. But I think, particularly for our communities of color, Hispanic and African-American communities, many who live in multigenerational homes in cities where multiple people may be going in and out of the house, potentially, and there might even be healthcare workers who need to come in, this brings back the point of PPE being important for anybody who's taking care of somebody.
And for people to just be aware of their actions that, if they themselves don't get sick, maybe they could bring something back home to somebody else who's in the household.
And I think that is the point that I got from that data. I don't know for sure that that's what that data shows. But that's what is concerning to me.
BERMAN: Yes. We've got to dive in much more into those numbers to learn just how much those people were staying at home who they might have been seeing.
