TonyWilliams
Well-known member
First, let me say that this thread is not for technical "solutions" or political discussions. The only thing I'm interested is how much you would pay for a DC charge.
Assume that chargers are as plentiful as gasoline stations for this poll. That means that I don't want to hear about where they should be located.
The assumption is California, since there are references to issues that may not apply in other parts of the world.
Here are the choices:
A. I will not pay anything for DC fast charging, even if I would need a charge.
B1. I won't pay any more than the cost to operate my Prius or other gasoline car. At 50mpg, and $6 gallon gas, that is 12.5 cents per mile. If I only need 10 miles of additional range, I will only pay $1.25. If a DC charge provides about 60 miles in 30 minutes, I'll pay $7.50. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and provide 80 miles would be worth $10 to me.
B2. I will only pay the cost of electricity without any consideration for demand charges (or any other costs). A 24kWh "fill-up" would be about $2-$3, just like at my house for slower L1 or L2 charging.
C. I will pay $2-$3 per charge event, but only rarely or in an emergency.
D. I will pay $4-$5 per charge event regularly (several times per week)
E. I will pay $4-$5 per charge event, but only rarely or in an emergency.
F. I will pay 33 cents per minute, so that many of my DC charger needs would be well below the $7 minimum fee now offered by 350green and in the future NRG / eVgo (by California state agreement). So, a ten minute charge would be $3.30 and a twenty minute charge is $6.60. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and cost $16.50.
G. I will pay 33 cents per minute. An additional fee of $5 per charge event is added to pay for utility demand charges. Therefore, a ten minute charge would be $8.30 and a twenty minute charge is $11.60. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and cost $21.50.
H. I will pay 50 cents per minute so that a ten minute charge is $5 and a twenty minute charge is $10. A full power 50 minute charge is $25. No additional fees.
I. I will pay 25 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. Since no demand fee is triggered below 20-30kW, my total costs would be a ten minute charge at $2.50 and a twenty minute charge is $5. The proverbial LBW to 80% that Nissan claims will take 25 minutes will probably take 45 minutes and therefore cost $11.25. A full charge from zero to hero (100%) would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $22.50.
J. I will pay 25 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. An additional fee of $5 per charge event is added to pay for utility demand charges. My total costs would be a ten minute charge at $7.50 and a twenty minute charge is $10. LBW to 80% is $17.50, and a full charge from zero to 100% would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $30.00.
K. Unlimited, non-commercial use for one registered car for one location for $150 per month.
L. Unlimited, non-commercial use for one registered car for multiple locations for $200 per month.
M. I will pay the NRG / eVgo minimum $7 charge, and up to $15 maximum during peak time, for 30 minutes. Presumably, a full charge would require two 30 minute fees, for up to $30.
N. Reserved.
O. Similar to "I", except 33 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. Since no demand fee is triggered below 20-30kW, my total costs would be a ten minute charge at $3.30 and a twenty minute charge is $6.60. The proverbial LBW to 80% that Nissan claims will take 25 minutes will probably take 45 minutes and therefore cost $14.85. A full charge from zero to hero (100%) would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $29.70.
Here's a simple spreadsheet of some of the pricing models:
Assume that chargers are as plentiful as gasoline stations for this poll. That means that I don't want to hear about where they should be located.
The assumption is California, since there are references to issues that may not apply in other parts of the world.
Here are the choices:
A. I will not pay anything for DC fast charging, even if I would need a charge.
B1. I won't pay any more than the cost to operate my Prius or other gasoline car. At 50mpg, and $6 gallon gas, that is 12.5 cents per mile. If I only need 10 miles of additional range, I will only pay $1.25. If a DC charge provides about 60 miles in 30 minutes, I'll pay $7.50. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and provide 80 miles would be worth $10 to me.
B2. I will only pay the cost of electricity without any consideration for demand charges (or any other costs). A 24kWh "fill-up" would be about $2-$3, just like at my house for slower L1 or L2 charging.
C. I will pay $2-$3 per charge event, but only rarely or in an emergency.
D. I will pay $4-$5 per charge event regularly (several times per week)
E. I will pay $4-$5 per charge event, but only rarely or in an emergency.
F. I will pay 33 cents per minute, so that many of my DC charger needs would be well below the $7 minimum fee now offered by 350green and in the future NRG / eVgo (by California state agreement). So, a ten minute charge would be $3.30 and a twenty minute charge is $6.60. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and cost $16.50.
G. I will pay 33 cents per minute. An additional fee of $5 per charge event is added to pay for utility demand charges. Therefore, a ten minute charge would be $8.30 and a twenty minute charge is $11.60. A full charge from zero to 100% would take 50 minutes (48kW max a LEAF can accept) and cost $21.50.
H. I will pay 50 cents per minute so that a ten minute charge is $5 and a twenty minute charge is $10. A full power 50 minute charge is $25. No additional fees.
I. I will pay 25 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. Since no demand fee is triggered below 20-30kW, my total costs would be a ten minute charge at $2.50 and a twenty minute charge is $5. The proverbial LBW to 80% that Nissan claims will take 25 minutes will probably take 45 minutes and therefore cost $11.25. A full charge from zero to hero (100%) would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $22.50.
J. I will pay 25 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. An additional fee of $5 per charge event is added to pay for utility demand charges. My total costs would be a ten minute charge at $7.50 and a twenty minute charge is $10. LBW to 80% is $17.50, and a full charge from zero to 100% would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $30.00.
K. Unlimited, non-commercial use for one registered car for one location for $150 per month.
L. Unlimited, non-commercial use for one registered car for multiple locations for $200 per month.
M. I will pay the NRG / eVgo minimum $7 charge, and up to $15 maximum during peak time, for 30 minutes. Presumably, a full charge would require two 30 minute fees, for up to $30.
N. Reserved.
O. Similar to "I", except 33 cents per minute at a reduced charge speed. Since no demand fee is triggered below 20-30kW, my total costs would be a ten minute charge at $3.30 and a twenty minute charge is $6.60. The proverbial LBW to 80% that Nissan claims will take 25 minutes will probably take 45 minutes and therefore cost $14.85. A full charge from zero to hero (100%) would take 90 minutes (20kW max rate to LEAF) and cost $29.70.
Here's a simple spreadsheet of some of the pricing models:
Code:
F G H I J O M
33/min 33+$5 50/min 25/min 25+$5 33/min $7-$15
48kW 48kW 48kW 20kW 20kW 20kW 48kW
10 min charge $3.30 $8.30 $5.00 $2.50 $7.50 $3.30 $7-$15
20 min charge $6.60 $11.60 $10.00 $5.00 $10.00 $6.60 $7-$15
LBW to 80% $7.85 $12.85 $12.50 $12.50 $17.50 $14.85 $7-&15
Turtle to 100% $16.50 $21.50 $25.00 $25.00 $30.00 $29.70 $14-$30