Firetruck41
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If it's not a new design, it isn't 2.0. Just another version of the gen 1. I have every expectation it will be a complete redesign. That's not to say it won't have a resemblance in dimension, design, etc
NavyCuda said:LeftieBiker said:Also, he mentions that the new Leaf is a completely new design. There is no carryover from the current generation.
Frankly, I don't believe that, and actually hope it isn't true. If I decide to order a Leaf 2 without driving one, it will have to use the existing car as the basis for the redesign. If it really is all new, I'll probably lease a Bolt - which by then should be ironed out. Someone else can beta test the all-new Leaf.
Logic fail.
NavyCuda said:"...It must be pointed out that it is exceptionally rare for their to be a serious defect in the core design of a vehicle. The only one that comes to mind directly is the Pinto."...
It seems like the both the front and falcon wing doors on the Model X are a beta-test on users, at best.NavyCuda said:When you accuse companies like Nissan and GM of beta-testing on their end-user you lose credibility with me. Even Tesla only really beta-tests their software with the end user.
Then don't call it Leaf 2, call it Leaf 1.73? If they are calling it 2.0, it will be all new, or nearly so.LeftieBiker said:...If the Leaf 2 really is a completely new car (which I doubt) ...
If it is Leaf 2 or 2.0, and it isn't nearly all new, it will be a huge disapointment and deceptive marketing. But you can keep dreaming that the next Leaf will be the old Leaf.LeftieBiker said:They are calling it "Leaf 2" rather than "Leaf 2.0" so it isn't at all clear from the name that it's all new. If those camouflaged cars are just test mules, it makes little sense, for a couple of reasons. First, why camouflage them? It would be better to just use whole Leaf 1 cars, which are inconspicuous. After all, you don't need to test drive a new nose and tail. The only reason I can think of is if the new motor and pack won't fit into the existing nose and tail, but that doesn't seem especially likely, either - the new nose doesn't seem appreciably larger than the old, and there is plenty of empty space in the tail of Leaf 1...
Finally, since Nissan is competing on price more than on performance, building a whole new car on the cheap, when the existing car's interior is well liked, also makes little sense. Putting a new nose, tail, and dash on the existing midsection does make a lot of sense. That would let Nissan keep building essentially the same body on the same production lines, with only a few new external pieces, and a few (but important) internal parts changing. That would give them a significant cost advantage.
But you can keep dreaming that the next Leaf will be the old Leaf.
LeftieBiker said:But you can keep dreaming that the next Leaf will be the old Leaf.
If you keep putting words in my mouth I'll just filter you. Life is short and trolls are legion. What I'm "dreaming" is that they will use the Leaf 1 passenger compartment and seats, with a much more powerful motor, a full 40kwh pack that is at least cooled when charging, and a nose with headlights that actually work well on both Low and High beams. I think that if Nissan actually builds a whole new Leaf as cheaply as they can, that it will have problems. Those problems will then be inexcusable, because there is no reason for them to build a whole new Leaf.
Not to mention C. G. and others emphasis on reducing production costs, so LEAF 2 and N/R's other BEVS can beat ICEVs in the marketplace without government subsidies.geefish said:... I recall Carlos in a presentation talking about the new Leaf and mentioning that it would be lighter and more efficient then the current model...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/05/22/true-disruptors-of-the-auto-industry-a-118-year-old-carmaker-a-71-year-old-man-a-4100-car/#6d1e8b1d69b0True Disruptors Of The Auto Industry: 118-Year-Old Renault, A 71-Year-Old Man And A $4,100 Car
There has been a lot of talk about disrupting the auto industry. If you want to see disruption in full-scale beauty, you must go to Chennai, India. The city formerly known as Madras has become a veritable hotbed of automotive disruption, and not just because the mercury constantly flirts with the 100 degree mark. Some 30 dusty, and very nerve-rattling miles south of the airport is the Oragadam Industrial Corridor, and right in the middle of it is Renault and Nissan’s joint production site, which is trying to crank out the $4,100 Renault Kwid as quickly as it is snapped up, usually by first-time buyers, who finally can afford a real car.
Some 40 years ago, we finally could afford a real computer, 64K and all -- now a real car can be bought at a similar price.
For those who think the outrageous price is not low enough, the factory has just started to produce a $3,700 derivative, the Datsun Redi-GO. Both are real cars, on a brand-new platform, and they already disrupted the marketing plans of Maruti-Suzuki, which until now has dominated the rapidly growing Indian car market, but probably not for a lot longer. (The secret of how Renault-Nissan has achieved the cars’ ultra-low price is revealed here. But does Renault-Nissan make money with the cars? The answer is here.)...
edatoakrun said:https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/05/22/true-disruptors-of-the-auto-industry-a-118-year-old-carmaker-a-71-year-old-man-a-4100-car/#6d1e8b1d69b0True Disruptors Of The Auto Industry: 118-Year-Old Renault, A 71-Year-Old Man And A $4,100 Car
There has been a lot of talk about disrupting the auto industry. If you want to see disruption in full-scale beauty, you must go to Chennai, ....
Well then you probably already know how convincingly Schmitt has demonstrated that when you are on a road in India, you definitely want to be in one of those zero star cars, rather than subject to the mass slaughter suffered by pedestrians, bicyclists, and motorcyclists.evnow said:edatoakrun said:https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/05/22/true-disruptors-of-the-auto-industry-a-118-year-old-carmaker-a-71-year-old-man-a-4100-car/#6d1e8b1d69b0True Disruptors Of The Auto Industry: 118-Year-Old Renault, A 71-Year-Old Man And A $4,100 Car
There has been a lot of talk about disrupting the auto industry. If you want to see disruption in full-scale beauty, you must go to Chennai, ....
I follow Bertel on Twitter....
One thing he doesn't mention about $4,100 car is that it got zero stars in crash testing.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/business/2017/may/25/govt-eyes-india-made-li-ion-batteries-to-lower-cost-of-electric-vehicles-1608993.htmlGovt eyes India-made Li-ion batteries to lower cost of electric vehicles
NEW DELHI: The government is contemplating incentivising manufacturers to set up facilities for making lithium-ion batteries in India to lower the cost of electric vehicles...
Secretary in the Department of Heavy Industry Girish Shankar said since the lithium-ion battery is not manufactured in India and the automobile industry has to depend on imports.
"We need to develop indigenous production capabilities for lithium-ion batteries so that electric vehicles can become affordable," Shankar said...
Nissan has been saying for years now that it plans sell its stake in AESC, as it sees the future of BEV batteries as a low-margin commodity business, and it will make no more sense to make its own than to make its own tires, glass, etc.jhm614 said:Nissan in advanced talks over selling part (all?) of AESC battery unit?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-26/china-s-gsr-said-to-near-1-billion-deal-for-nissan-battery-unit
What does this mean for Leaf 2.0? No change? LG batteries?
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