Reading between the lines on InsideEVs, it will be 150ish for the 40? kWh battery and 200+ish for the 55-60 kWh battery. "Between the lines" = Jay Cole replies to article commenters. The question is will the bigger battery be available at launch. I hope/think it will but... I'm optimistic by nature I still think a fully optioned SV with a 40kWh battery with a little discounting could be the sweet spot!IssacZachary said:Do we know what the EPA range rating will likely be, or is, for the Leaf 2?
Interleaf said:Funny - I moved the Rex thread elsewhere, and you complain after I move it, and then filter my posts?...LeftieBiker said:You can click on the offending parties, then click 'add foe' in their profile, and future posts from them will be filtered out. I just added Interleaf. Shame.
Is it because you lefties cannot face the fact....
jhm614 said:Reading between the lines on InsideEVs, it will be 150ish for the 40? kWh battery and 200+ish for the 55-60 kWh battery. "Between the lines" = Jay Cole replies to article commenters. The question is will the bigger battery be available at launch. I hope/think it will but... I'm optimistic by nature I still think a fully optioned SV with a 40kWh battery with a little discounting could be the sweet spot!IssacZachary said:Do we know what the EPA range rating will likely be, or is, for the Leaf 2?
Interleaf said:Funny - I moved the Rex thread elsewhere, and you complain after I move it, and then filter my posts?LeftieBiker said:You can click on the offending parties, then click 'add foe' in their profile, and future posts from them will be filtered out. I just added Interleaf. Shame.
And further funny that you participated in the Rex subthread, without even bothering to move it to a new thread elsewhere.
Is it because you lefties cannot face the fact that CARB a government agency is responsible for destroying the EV market, with their hare-brained regulations?
DaveinOlyWA said:jhm614 said:Reading between the lines on InsideEVs, it will be 150ish for the 40? kWh battery and 200+ish for the 55-60 kWh battery. "Between the lines" = Jay Cole replies to article commenters. The question is will the bigger battery be available at launch. I hope/think it will but... I'm optimistic by nature I still think a fully optioned SV with a 40kWh battery with a little discounting could be the sweet spot!IssacZachary said:Do we know what the EPA range rating will likely be, or is, for the Leaf 2?
this assumes current efficiency which "should be" a mistake. LEAF II is supposed to be more aero, higher efficiency drive train. how much so? anyone's guess there but Hyundai showed how much you can get if you try hard enough.
But using formula and various leaked capacity estimates of 38.4 kwh usable gives us 153 miles @ 4 miles per kwh
Wow... Remember that video of the prototype racing around the track and the door flying open? Did they ever get an EV version working or were they all ice?IssacZachary said:I wish I had an Aptera...
LEAFguy said:they can probably get that to 40 kWh in a similar sized or slightly larger case under the new car with chemistry and packaging improvements. But to go from 40 kWh to 60 kWh requires a lot more room.
LEAFguy said:I was also hoping for a 60 kWh battery, but I just don't see where they can put any more capacity from a physical standpoint. They've gone from 24 kWh to 30 kWh in the original case, and they can probably get that to 40 kWh in a similar sized or slightly larger case under the new car with chemistry and packaging improvements. But to go from 40 kWh to 60 kWh requires a lot more room. The new car, if the leak can be deemed accurate, which I think it probably is, will be only .4 inch taller than the existing car and the wheelbase is identical to the 2017. Which brings me to my last point.
Size appears not to be an issue. However with the recent sale of Nissan's EV battery division, who knows.
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/current-30-kwh-LEAF-battery-pack-and-60-kWh-IDS-via-bertel-schmitt.jpg
http://insideevs.com/nissan-close-to-exiting-battery-business/
NIssan is not designing the LEAF for Gunnison because that is not where most of the cars will be sold. Think extended-urban with a radial range of 50-75 miles, 100+ miles if L2 destination charging is available.IssacZachary said:LEAFguy said:they can probably get that to 40 kWh in a similar sized or slightly larger case under the new car with chemistry and packaging improvements. But to go from 40 kWh to 60 kWh requires a lot more room.
Having a bigger battery definitely has its perks especially with Tesla. Tesla not only has big batteries, but their charging infrastructure seems to put out more charge the bigger their batteries get, therefore making those big batteries worthwhile.
But Nissan depends on the existing public charging infrastructure.
DNAinaGoodWay said:A decent analysis. But then, how does Bolt fit in 60 kWh when it's, iirr, smaller?
First, the price differential from S to SL is for feature content currently, and will continue to be for feature content in 2018 and beyond. You pay more money, you get more stuff. It doesn't matter if it's electric or gas, this has always been true. For example, the BMW 320i starts at $33,450. The 330i has the same drivetrain yet starts at $38,750. More features cost money. That's not to say that if and when they do come out with a larger battery, you won't be able to buy an S trim level for the same money but it won't have all the SL goodies.LeftieBiker said:I'm not really expecting a 60kwh battery in the early 2018 SL either, but I see problems with both of your points. First, the SL is priced about $7k more than the SV, and comparing price differentials with the previous generation has limitations on utility. $6k should be able to buy another 20kwh of capacity with no problem, because it would just be a question of adding to the 40kwh pack, not adding a second whole pack. As for the space issue, there is room under there for a spare tire in the Gen 1 Leaf! Some of that space has to be reserved for crumple zone use, but not, I suspect, all of it. In short, I think the 60kwh pack won't be here until 2018, but not because it's too expensive or won't fit. I'm guessing that it didn't perform well enough in early field testing.
The vast majority of electric car owners (not just LEAF owners) own multiple vehicles. When taking a trip, they take the gas car. This behavior will likely not change anytime soon. I've written before that an electric car is a tool, just like a gas car. If it's not the right tool for the job, buy another tool. Many electric car owners live in large suburban areas and extending the range from 150 to 200 miles opens up many more options for them in their daily or weekend activities.IssacZachary said:But Nissan depends on the existing public charging infrastructure. There may be improvements in charging speed here and there, but for that to open up across the nation/world I don't see happening.
I think it's a smart move for Nissan to finally move away from developing their own batteries. It took huge resources and significant time commitments that I feel would have been better spent thinking about the car itself and the people that drive them. Let the battery guys make batteries, and let the car guys make cars.Foschas said:Size appears not to be an issue. However with the recent sale of Nissan's EV battery division, who knows.
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/current-30-kwh-LEAF-battery-pack-and-60-kWh-IDS-via-bertel-schmitt.jpg
http://insideevs.com/nissan-close-to-exiting-battery-business/
As DaveinOlyWA said, the Bolt has significantly less cargo space, but that's only part of the answer. LEAF has 41.2" front head room while the Bolt is only 39.7". Interestingly, the Bolt has slightly more rear head room than LEAF. I haven't looked closely at the Bolt back seat, but sometimes automakers increase rear head room by lowering the seat toward the floor so back seat passengers knees are higher. I don't know if that's the case here. Looking at overall vehicle height, Bolt is almost 2" taller. All of these are contributing factors.DNAinaGoodWay said:A decent analysis. But then, how does Bolt fit in 60 kWh when it's, iirr, smaller?
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