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Nissan Tests New Heat-Resistant Battery For Leaf Electric Car

http://www.plugincars.com/nissan-testing-new-battery-pack-leaf-128088.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1086498_nissan-tests-new-heat-resistant-battery-for-leaf-electric-car" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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Nissan is testing a revised lithium-ion cell chemistry for its Leaf electric car that the company says appears to be as durable in sustained extreme heat as its current battery is under normal conditions.

If tests confirm that the new cells degrade at no more than the standard rate, even at high temperatures, the company hopes to have battery packs using those cells available next April.

Those packs would become the replacement for any current Leaf batteries replaced under warranty for loss of capacity.

Nissan has not yet decided whether the new battery would be fitted to all new Leafs, executives told Green Car Reports.

Phoenix forum Saturday

Nissan executives first discussed the new battery at a Saturday night meeting in Phoenix with 10 Nissan Leaf owners.

The company will post a detailed announcement sometime today on the MyNissanLeaf forum.

Andy Palmer, the company's chief global marketing officer, joined communications staff Jeff Kuhlman and Brian Brockman, along with Billy Hayes, Nissan's vice president for global electric-car sales, at the Phoenix event.

Palmer, who works in Japan, is also a member of the Nissan board of directors. His presence at the event underscored the importance to Nissan of resolving this issue, Hayes said.


'Really optimistic'

The group spoke to 10 local Nissan Leaf owners most affected by battery capacity loss from what Nissan terms "prolonged, extreme heat exposure."

In revealing the new cell project, the Nissan executives stressed that their plans depended on the successful completion of the testing now underway

While the company is "not quite ready yet" to launch the new battery, Hayes said, "we are really optimistic about the results" of the testing.

Test labs are now operating prototype batteries at sustained internal temperatures of 45 degrees Celsius (113 degrees Fahrenheit).

While pavement temperature in Arizona summers can reach as high as 60 deg C (140 deg F), the test temperature is far higher than that reached by batteries in more temperate markets like Seattle.

Thus far, Hayes said, the company has observed capacity degradation at the higher temperatures that's no different to that found in the bulk of Leaf batteries operated in more temperate climes.

Fewer than 1 in 1,000 affected

Hayes said Nissan has thus far replaced only 22 batteries for capacity loss in extremely hot climates--less than 0.1 percent of the 31,200 Leafs sold in the U.S. through July.

The executives told the Leaf owners that, assuming the new battery goes into production, Nissan will provide a coupon to every owner who has a pack replaced before next April 2014.

That coupon, keyed to the car's VIN, and fully transferable, will entitle the owner to a further replacement pack based on the new chemistry if required, for a period of five years.

Hayes said the meeting also covered the recent software update to the Leaf's "state of health" gauge.

Following the update, some owners found their battery's health had "improved," he said, which wasn't the case. Instead, the reading was now more accurate than it had been under the old algorithm.

Sale of leased batteries likely

Finally, Hayes discussed the battery-replacement policy they had rolled out in June--and why Nissan structured it the offer as it did.

It was based on surveys not only of current owners but also of prospective Leaf buyers. Executives concluded that owners wanted a guarantee the battery would be replaced if necessary, but keyed to a specific battery state of health.

That program, Hayes revealed, is "still evolving"--and Nissan will "probably end up" selling batteries to customers after a specified time or mileage.

Down the road, that would avert the problem of the buyer owning a used Nissan Leaf--but not its battery, which under the current scheme, would belong to Nissan. (It would be transferable to any new owner of the Leaf, but owned by the company, not the buyer.)
 
mwalsh said:
It's already being discussed AT LENGTH in the Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 LEAF thread.
But does that make it unworthy of its own thread? I think not; this is big news I was unaware of until seeing this thread. Nissan coming up with a new chemistry seems to me to be OT to the warranty enhancement discussion, which I had tuned out on the assumption it was just people complaining about Nissan stealing their batteries :lol:
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
Nissan coming up with a new chemistry seems to me to be OT to the warranty enhancement discussion, which I had tuned out on the assumption it was just people complaining about Nissan stealing their batteries :lol:

Nevertheless, that's where the action is. ;)
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
mwalsh said:
It's already being discussed AT LENGTH in the Update on Battery Warranty Enhancement for 2011 & 2012 LEAF thread.
But does that make it unworthy of its own thread? I think not; this is big news I was unaware of until seeing this thread. Nissan coming up with a new chemistry seems to me to be OT to the warranty enhancement discussion, which I had tuned out on the assumption it was just people complaining about Nissan stealing their batteries :lol:

No, I DO think it's worthy of it's own thread. I'm just not sure it can be broken out of the other discussion so easily. So it's either pick it up there or run a parallel thread (which, as you saw earlier...I ain't too thrilled about).
 
Yep, there are many, many pages of discussion on it and the Saturday meeting on that thread... No point in having a fragmented additional thread here...

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13192&start=260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mwalsh said:
No, I DO think it's worthy of it's own thread. I'm just not sure it can be broken out of the other discussion so easily. So it's either pick it up there or run a parallel thread (which, as you saw earlier...I ain't too thrilled about).
 
Nubo said:
LTLFTcomposite said:
Nissan coming up with a new chemistry seems to me to be OT to the warranty enhancement discussion, which I had tuned out on the assumption it was just people complaining about Nissan stealing their batteries :lol:
Nevertheless, that's where the action is. ;)
Are you saying the action is where Nissan is stealing batteries or is the action complaining about Nissan? :eek:
 
Stoaty said:
Nubo said:
Nevertheless, that's where the action is. ;)
Are you saying the action is where Nissan is stealing batteries or is the action complaining about Nissan? :eek:

It's the home of the good-natured discussion about the pros and cons of Nissan's battery and customer-care improvement efforts. :mrgreen:
 
Nubo said:
It's the home of the good-natured discussion about the pros and cons of Nissan's battery and customer-care improvement efforts. :mrgreen:
:lol:

Cake orders are being placed too! You are really missing out, if you don't join the good-natured banter there.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13192" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
cdub said:
Slightly rude response don't you think? The "thanks for playing" part.
Let's be nice here.
Agreed, but the OP might have a certain "reputation". He is on my ignore list for some reason. I don't recall the details.
 
surfingslovak said:
Agreed, but the OP might have a certain "reputation". He is on my ignore list for some reason. I don't recall the details.
Don't you just hate it when you can't remember why you hate someone?
 
I never put anyone on my ignore lists, for any forum. How can you see if they are talking about you if you have them on ignore?
 
Stoaty said:
LTLFTcomposite said:
Don't you just hate it when you can't remember why you hate someone?
I can't remember if it hate it or not. :oops:
Yes, too much hate in this world! I think this was related to off-topic or duplicate posts, much like this thread. Nothing personal. It looks like there was a benefit to toasty starting this topic, even though I would not have opened it if some of the posters I follow didn't contribute to it. Do you have time to read every thread on MNL?

My Chevy VOLT Been in the shop 38+ Days, Still NOT Fixed &..

Lasareath said:
I never put anyone on my ignore lists, for any forum. How can you see if they are talking about you if you have them on ignore?
But isn't that the whole point? What if you wanted to improve the signal-to-noise ratio or focus on the topics you were interested in?
 
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