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RonDawg said:
GRA said:
The LA 'urban area' is more densely populated than the NYC or San Francisco urban areas. However, NYC itself (the five boroughs) and the City and County of San Francisco are both far more densely populated than the _city_ of Los Angeles. The population density of LA and its urban area is very even, with the urban area being just a little less than the city. NYC and San Francisco are very different, with the cities having very high densities and the urban areas much lower ones.

Sorry, but the stats don't support most of your position.

LA City: 7500 people per square mile (3.8 million people, 469 square miles)
New York City (all 5 boroughs): 27,000 people per square mile (8.3 million people, 302 square miles)
City and County of San Francisco: 17,200 people per square mile (825,000 people, 47 square miles)

Los Angeles County: 2400 people per square mile (9.8 million people, 4,000 square miles)
LA/OC/Ventura Counties: 944 people per square mile (6.6 million people, 7200 square miles)
Greater LA (5 counties): 532 people per square mile (18.1 million people, 34,000 square miles)
New York Metropolitan area: 2800 people per square mile (18.9 million, 6700 square miles)
San Francisco Peninsula (SF and San Mateo counties): 11,600 people per square mile (9.1 million, 787 square miles)
San Francisco Bay Area (9 counties): 1,023 people per square mile (7.15 million people, 6,985 square miles)

Here we go, data sources that were used in the second post:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/los_angeles_is_the_most_densely_populated_urban_area_in_the_us.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"You have to love the US Census--it came out with data today contradicting the conventional wisdom about sprawl defining the Los Angeles metropolitan area. According to a press release: "The nation's most densely populated urbanized area is Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, Calif., with nearly 7,000 people per square mile." You hear that New York-Newark? (That metro, by the way, came in fifth, with "an overall density of 5,319 people per square mile.") ...."

http://www.housingzone.com/industry-data-research/los-angeles-boasts-highest-urban-population-density" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Recently released data from the U.S. Census Bureau from 2010 reveals that the 41 major urban areas nationwide accounted for 80 percent of the total U.S. population. Analysis by New Geography showed that Los Angeles had the highest population density, housing nearly 7,000 people per square mile...."

http://www.uctc.net/access/37/access37_sprawl.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Sprawl has no single definition. Many people, however, tend to think of "sprawling" cities as places where people make most of their trips by car, and non-sprawling cities as places where people are more likely to walk, cycle, or take transit. This is why Los Angeles, which has more vehicles per square mile than any other urbanized area, and where transit accounts for only two percent of the region's overall trips, is considered sprawling, while the New York urbanized area is not. We also know (or think we know) that places where people frequently walk, cycle, or take transit tend to have high population densities, and for this reason we tend to view low density as a proxy for sprawl. But as it turns out, the Los Angeles urbanized area—which in both myth and fact is very car-oriented—is also very dense. In fact, Los Angeles has been the densest urbanized area in the United States since the 1980s, denser even than New York and San Francisco..."

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/commentary/where-we-are/density-census-numbers-betray-an-la-cliche.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Population in the New York metropolitan area is highly concentrated until, less than the distance from City Hall to the beach at Santa Monica, New York's density falls below the density of Los Angeles.

The data shows that a lot of people in the region live far from the Los Angeles Civic Center, but they do so at pretty high density levels. Few people in the region live in locales with lower density. And unlike the demographics anywhere else in America, almost no one in the region lives a rural life...."


It just depends on how you measure it. The metric the U.S. Census Bureau uses is what was presented here.
 
Another of the surprises I came across in the book was that sprawling, car-oriented cities often have a lower % of their land area devoted to roads than older, denser ones. This somewhat counter-intuitive fact is because the older cities, being more dense, have a lower % of roads and parking _per capita_, whereas lower density cities have bigger house lots, longer blocks etc. That is, there tend's to be an inverse relationship between road & parking area per sq. mile, and road & parking area per capita.
 
wsbsteven said:
It just depends on how you measure it. The metric the U.S. Census Bureau uses is what was presented here.

Clearly it is how you measure it. I simply took population and divided by area. The stats you and GRA are quoting are using some other method.
 
RonDawg said:
wsbsteven said:
It just depends on how you measure it. The metric the U.S. Census Bureau uses is what was presented here.

Clearly it is how you measure it. I simply took population and divided by area. The stats you and GRA are quoting are using some other method.
Yes, a different area, the 'urbanized' one that the census bureau uses, and which I mentioned in my first post. To take the the S.F. Bay metropolitan area I'm most familiar with, with the exception of San Francisco (city and county have the same boundaries) eight of the nine counties that are considered part of the metro area all have large rural areas. Once you move more than 5 miles (at most; 2 or 3 miles is enough in some areas) off one of the main transportation corridors, your background noise is far more likely to be crickets and frogs than car noises.
 
Within 50 miles of Seattle there are 453 Leafs for sale. Boston, a with a slightly larger population, has 38 Leafs within 50 miles.

If there isn't a shortage, there is surely an issue of distribution.
 
come to Oregon to buy/lease your LEAF! we thought we got a good deal on a lease, but recently read that someone in WA got an even better deal.

Lithia Nissan of Eugene has over 90 Leafs! $89/month, $3000 down payment for 24 months for a Leaf S with quick charge package.

http://www.lithianissaneugene.com/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Nationwide inventory is running less than one months worth. Most cars run closer to 3 months. The Volt is running as much as 6 months inventory (depending on which sales month you pick).
 
Looks like gas prices are starting to move some folks "off the dime" - had two (formerly uninterested) friends ask to talk about Leaf during the past week. I reckon another 50 cents on gas prices ought to make for a very nice shortage.
Pete
 
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