Official Cadillac ELR thread - a luxury version of the Volt

[GRA]

At the SF Auto Show, I saw the Cadillac ELR on a rotating platform w/the charge door open. There was only J1772 inlet and no room around it even for the 2 extra Frankenplug pins below in the same way the Volt has the same space issue. So, I guess there's no (J1772/Mennekes CCS) DC FC for the ELR either.

I can't think of any reason why you'd need or want it. The ICE is for freeway driving, the battery for urban. Given the choice, who's going to wait 30 minutes for a QC when they can fill up with gas in 5 minutes or less and head off for another 300+ miles? Especially in a car that costs $76k or more - I've got to think most people with that kind of money to spend on a car place a high value on their time - the ones that don't can buy a Tesla.

 

[cwerdna]

At the SF Auto Show, I saw the Cadillac ELR on a rotating platform w/the charge door open. There was only J1772 inlet and no room around it even for the 2 extra Frankenplug pins below in the same way the Volt has the same space issue. So, I guess there's no (J1772/Mennekes CCS) DC FC for the ELR either.

I can't think of any reason why you'd need or want it. The ICE is for freeway driving, the battery for urban. ...

As was pointed out at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=341023#p341023" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://insideevs.com/in-japan-mitsubishi-sold-twice-as-many-phevs-than-evs-in-japan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has CHAdeMO. Unclear if it's optional or standard.

 

[TomT]

I have to agree that it simply makes little sense on a battery of that size and in that type of vehicle... I don't see much ROI.

As was pointed out at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=341023#p341023" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://insideevs.com/in-japan-mitsubishi-sold-twice-as-many-phevs-than-evs-in-japan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has CHAdeMO. Unclear if it's optional or standard.

 

[GRA]

At the SF Auto Show, I saw the Cadillac ELR on a rotating platform w/the charge door open. There was only J1772 inlet and no room around it even for the 2 extra Frankenplug pins below in the same way the Volt has the same space issue. So, I guess there's no (J1772/Mennekes CCS) DC FC for the ELR either.

I can't think of any reason why you'd need or want it. The ICE is for freeway driving, the battery for urban. ...

As was pointed out at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=341023#p341023" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://insideevs.com/in-japan-mitsubishi-sold-twice-as-many-phevs-than-evs-in-japan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has CHAdeMO. Unclear if it's optional or standard.

I know, and I think it makes zero sense. Relatively high-rate L2, sure, but for a battery that size you're going to have to limit the max. charge rate well below what CHAdeMO is capable of, so why bother?

 

[cwerdna]

I know, and I think it makes zero sense. Relatively high-rate L2, sure, but for a battery that size you're going to have to limit the max. charge rate well below what CHAdeMO is capable of, so why bother?

Do we know if the ELR will also have the 3.3 kW OBC that the Spark EV and Volt use? If so, that's not "high-rate" L2 at all.

 

[GRA]

I know, and I think it makes zero sense. Relatively high-rate L2, sure, but for a battery that size you're going to have to limit the max. charge rate well below what CHAdeMO is capable of, so why bother?

Do we know if the ELR will also have the 3.3 kW OBC that the Spark EV and Volt use? If so, that's not "high-rate" L2 at all.

I don't know, although I was talking there about the Outlander. And I don't think that a high rate L2 is necessary on any of these PHEVs, but is a bit more justifiable - at least you don't need a separate receptacle. To me, one of the advantages of a PHEV, especially those with ca. 20 miles EPA range, is that there is no need for home charging faster than L1, unless you've got a utility with a narrow super off-peak window. That's a big decrease in hassle factor when making a purchase/lease decision.

 

[cwerdna]

GCR: 2014 Cadillac ELR Luxury Electric Coupe: Now En Route To Dealers: (posted 12/18/13)
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089185_2014-cadillac-elr-luxury-electric-coupe-now-en-route-to-dealers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yesterday, General Motors' Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant began shipping the first of these extended-range electric cars to dealers, ahead of the car's official January on-sale date.

That means a few cars may arrive at dealers before the year closes out, perhaps allowing Cadillac to get a head start on deliveries and log a few sales for 2013.

 

[LTLFTcomposite]

So there it is... $699 a month, $5-6k down. That's over twice what a fully loaded Volt would cost to lease. Apparently the ones that have come in though are moving off the lots pretty quickly though, so go figure... the dealer here got two and both are gone. Lots of people for whom money isn't that much of a concern.

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/01/20/2014-cadillac-elr-lease-699-month/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000588" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[LTLFTcomposite]

An accolade for the ELR:

green.autoblog.com/2014/01/22/cadillac-elr-regen-on-demand-brakes-win-2014-green-car-technolog

The Caddy's brakes beat out the Acura Sport Hybrid SH-AWD powertrain, the Audi 3.0-liter turbodiesel engine, the BMW carbon-fiber passenger shell from the i3, the 1.0-liter EcoBoost engine used by Ford, the plug-in hybrid powertrain in the Honda Accord, Hyundai's hydrogen fuel cell technology, the regenerative brakes in the Mazda i-ELOOP, the plug-in hybrid powertrain used in some Porsche models and, finally, the Ram 3.0-Liter EcoDiesel engine.

 

[cwerdna]

ELR ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc&feature=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Per http://insideevs.com/january-2014-plug-in-electric-vehicle-sales-report-card/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, in the US, GM sold 6 in December 2013 (not a full month) and 41 last month.

 

[LTLFTcomposite]

They moved the power button away from the others, good change. Overall the center stack looks like less of a jumble.

Amusing ad. The startup sound is cool too.

 

[soareyes]

Saw my first ELR in Palm Springs last weekend - definitely a very nice looking car!

 

[scottf200]

A Volt owner who now owns a ELR has had a lot of positive things to say about the ELR (aside from price). Blastphemy - http://gm-volt.com/forum/search.php?searchid=15616865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[palmermd]

I love Ford's response to the ELR advertisement.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAN61QK0aUI[/youtube]

In case you can't remember the original....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc[/youtube]

 

[mwalsh]

I love Ford's response to the ELR advertisement.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAN61QK0aUI[/youtube]

That's AWESOME!

 

[LeftieBiker]

That's AWESOME!

That's Ford marketing a niche car to its target audience, while at the same time telling everyone else "Don't worry about having to get one of these - it's for CRAZY people."

 

[mwalsh]

That's AWESOME!

That's Ford marketing a niche car to its target audience, while at the same time telling everyone else "Don't worry about having to get one of these - it's for CRAZY people."

Meh.

 

[LeftieBiker]

So you think Ford buyers are committed enviros...?

 

[cwerdna]

I love Ford's response to the ELR advertisement.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAN61QK0aUI[/youtube]

That's AWESOME!

Agreed! Funny!

 

[LTLFTcomposite]

So you think Ford buyers are committed enviros...?

Furthering the stereotype of plugin buyers.