LoveMy18Leaf
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Unfortunately, the $200 EV Fee begins at next renewalOhio has a loophole. If you transfer registration from a gasser, you don't pay the EV fees.
Unfortunately, the $200 EV Fee begins at next renewalOhio has a loophole. If you transfer registration from a gasser, you don't pay the EV fees.
True.Unfortunately, the $200 EV Fee begins at next renewal
I would be interested in your take on PA's trial program: https://www.penndot.pa.gov/about-us...Pages/MBUF-Gas-Tax-Comparison-Calculator.aspxIn case you think me in the tinfoil hat crowd:
https://www.motor1.com/news/678659/utah-road-usage-tax-by-mile-pilot-program/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2pXIV4jNQrtZeL_nBTgxti
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xjUgLwNgBb5bqygrojpe1
And in case you think it is just states, here is a link about the fed's getting involved.
https://fortune.com/2023/06/27/gas-...el-efficiency-evs-states-tracking-road-usage/
Yep, Missouri has $120 a year gas tax...someone has to pay for the roads and you are not paying gas tax..
Sorry, that was the dumb PA State Gov's web servers doing their weird document hide and seek routine. I though I was pointing to this: https://tetcoalitionmbuf.org/wp-con...Fee-Approaches-for-All-Users_Fact-Sheet-1.pdfI have no problem with taxes or fee's to support our roads. I have a problem with tracking people to determine the fee.
I didn't see how PA proposes to verify the miles? May it is there, but I didn't see it.
I tried plugging in an EV and Penn and the calculator froze?
EV's need to pay their own way. Early adopters have got used to finding places to recharge for free, (not all places, but there are many that don't charge for L-2 and some business's are installing chargers for their work force. While I think it is great they do, some think everything should be free.
What I am concerned about are GPS based taxation.
Yes, all supposedly private information eventually gets misused in one way or another. PA is going all cameras on the toll roads--so everyone is now being tracked on the keystone state's highways anyway... https://www.paturnpike.com/all-electronic-tolling/open-road-tolling quote All data is secured and not shared. endquoteRight in there they say it allows for "time of day and Cordon pricing" Yep drive here at this time and we'll charge more. Also I didn't see where pricing would be based on vehicle model, it seams if it is a passenger vehicle, they all pay the same tax regardless of if it is a Prius or Hummer.
Way too much control and info being handed over to bureaucrats.
Wake up and tell them NO.
There is so much I see wrong with it, hard just to pick out the high points.Yes, all supposedly private information eventually gets misused in one way or another. PA is going all cameras on the toll roads--so everyone is now being tracked on the keystone state's highways anyway... https://www.paturnpike.com/all-electronic-tolling/open-road-tolling quote All data is secured and not shared. endquote
Technically PA is blue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states . But the state government is heavily weighed down by all the fracking interests and their big piles of moola.So much freedom in those red states.
As already suggested: use odometer reading and vehicle weight.The fairest is easiest is just odometer reading for EV. That's not intrusive. I don't need a meter on my home charger.
It's not just vehicle weight and damage to roads. It's also other costs. For instance, how much is the environmental cost of ICEV's versus EVs? ICEVs should be penalized for f(*king up the environment and the air that we all have to share. How about the cost to public health of ICEV emissions?I don't think a Leaf should pay the same tax as a massive Hummer or Cybertruck. And, just as folks who drive their ICE cars less consume less gas and pay less gas tax, the EV tax should match how much we use the roads.
Just as California ICE cars need to get smog tested every other year, EVs should get their odometers read at the same facilities.
I was thinking more along the line of an internal memory on the onboard charger itself, Kwh that pass through the charger in a year being the basis for the tax, that way someone who charges off grid but uses public hiways is also taxed.
Ok, great point and idea. But it's a massive hurdle to implement in all cars - old and new. And I don't mean because of the technical challenges doing this, but in updating all the EVs on the road.
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