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I'm not too surprised about Rivian trucks being used for Bezos's launch. Was a great way to get a ton of free advertising.

I just realized I didn't post here that at CES 2020 (as I posted at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30745&p=576561&hilit=ces+amazon+rivian#p576561), Rivian had one of their trucks within Amazon's booth there. Makes sense given how much Amazon has invested in Rivian.
 
Looks like deliveries are just waiting on Gov approval?

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/08/26/rivian-r1t-electric-pickup-truck-deliveries-september/
 
Rivian Shows off It’s EV Truck Fording Deep Waters
https://www.reviewgeek.com/96336/rivian-shows-off-its-ev-truck-fording-deep-waters/
 
Rivian hits the road: First R1T customer truck rolls off the assembly line
'Can't wait to get these into the hands of our customers!'
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/09/14/rivian-r1t-first-customer-truck-assembly-line/
 
Rivian’s Stock Slide Deepens as Operating Chief Steps Down
https://news.yahoo.com/rivian-stock-slide-deepens-operating-220732783.html

As I mentioned at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32338&p=616097&hilit=rivian#p616097, I did see one charging at Pleasanton EA pulling 150 kW on a 150 kW charger at 41% SoC.

I used EA in Santa Clarita, CA at https://www.plugshare.com/location/197258 near the beginning of my drive back to Nor Cal. Although I saw no Rivians, there is a pic attached there of 3 Rivian trucks in a row. One guy complained in the comments:
"Beware a lot of RIVIANs hogging all the chargers.

And by hogging, all were finished charging and have been idle for 15+ min."
 
I wonder if rivian got a surge of orders after the realization that the Ford lightning 300 mile battery was $74000?

I bought some Rivian stock for my wife's IRA

Now they need to get through production hell.
 
So much for any surge in orders. IEVS:
Rivian Announces Dual Motor And Smaller Battery Options; Hefty Price Increases
We love the dual-motor option that employs new motors designed in-house. The price increases, not so much.

https://insideevs.com/news/570503/rivian-dual-motor-price-increase/


Rivian today has announced three pretty dramatic developments regarding expanded product offerings and pricing that affect both the R1T and R1S lines. We'll start with the good news.

***UPDATE: The 5-seat R1S is gone. The electric SUV will only be offered in a 7-seat version. More info is included near the bottom of this post.

The electric vehicle startup will be adding dual-motor options for both the R1T and R1S which are expected to be available starting in 2024. Unlike the Bosch-sourced units used in the quad-motor setup, Rivian is engineering and manufacturing these motors in-house.

The dual-motor R1T will have a base MSRP of $67,500 and the dual-motor R1S will start at $70,000 (both prices are before any incentives are factored in, and don't include destination or delivery fees).

If those numbers sound familiar it's because you've seen them before. They are exactly the same prices that Rivian has been touting to reservation holders of the quad-motor vehicles. And while the dual-motor products are less expensive, as you'd expect, they are seeing a price increase that's likely to take reservation holders by surprise.

Effective immediately, The Rivian R1T's price is increasing "approximately 17%" which will increase the base cost from $67,500 to approximately $78,975. The R1S will see a whopping price increase of "approximately 20%" bringing the new base price from $70,000 to about $84,000. Additionally, the cost of certain options, upgrades, and accessories has also increased.

The new pricing structure isn't just for new reservations. The price increase will also also be applied to existing reservations. This will affect the majority of reservation holders except for the customers who were already in the final steps of completing their transaction with Rivian. Therefore, unless you've spoken with your Rivian representative lately, and your vehicle is already in, or entering production right now, the price increase will be applied to your order.

In an effort to alleviate some of the sting of the price increase, Rivian is announcing the lower-cost dual-motor option at this time to offer customers a way to retain their R1T or R1S reservation without paying any more than they have already committed to.

Unfortunately, in order to keep the same price, they will have to accept the following:

The dual-motor vehicle instead of the quad-motor they originally reserved
A 260-mile (EPA-estimate) battery instead of the 314-mile (EPA rated) battery
Wait one to two years longer to take delivery. (Rivian estimates dual-motor deliveries will begin in 2024)

Yes, Rivian is also introducing a smaller battery option that is expected to deliver 260+ miles of EPA-rated range. The R1T with the dual-motor powertrain that costs $67,500 will also have the smaller (Standard) battery pack, as will the R1S. Dual-motor customers will have the option to select from three battery pack options:

Standard Pack: 260+ miles (estimate)
Large Pack: 320+ miles (estimate)
Max Pack: 400+ miles (estimate)

You'll notice that Rivian is estimating that the Large Pack will deliver more than 320 miles of EPA-rated range, while the same battery pack in the quad-motor R1Ts has a 314-mile EPA range rating. The slightly greater range is attributed to the fact that vehicles with the dual-motor setup will be lighter and the motors designed and built by Rivian are more efficient.

As for performance, the dual-motor setup will have in excess of 600-hp, and Rivian states it will propel the R1T from zero to 60 mph in 4 seconds. Not quite as fast as the quad motor, which can accomplish the feat in 3 seconds, but very fast nonetheless. We're told towing capacity will remain the same at 11,000 lbs.

Powertrain Horsepower Torque Towing R1T Base Price R1S Base Price
Dual Motor 600+ HP 600+ lb-ft 11,000 lbs $67,500 $70,000
Quad Motor 800+ HP 900+ lb-ft 11,000 lbs $78,975 (est) $84,000 (est)

The dual-motor setup biases more torque rearward and also features front-to-rear torque control, which will provide a high level of on-road and off-road performance, as well as towing capability.

Rivian is attributing the price increase to a number of factors. First, they point out that pricing was set four years ago in 2018. The company experienced a variety of production delays due to the global pandemic and subsequent supply chain challenges. All of which has conspired to make it necessary for the startup to adjust pricing upwards to meet the additional costs. . . .

We're not sure how customers are going to feel about delaying their delivery a year or two, accepting a dual-motor version instead of the promised quad-motor setup, and also accepting a smaller battery pack in order to keep the same price they believed they were getting from the start. Of course, they have the option of keeping their original order and paying the extra 17% - 20%, which, with options may be between $12,000 and $14,000 extra. . . .
 
Considering that they are not honoring the reservation price (as Tesla does) and that most of the delivery till now is to the employee base, this is a great example of bait & switch... Minor cost adjustment could be understood on the basis of worldwide events but shooting prices up by 20% in one shot looks very calculated to me. People put in $1000 deposits now for over 3 years on this brand and I bet many by now must be feeling a little peeved...

Edit - Media is also agreeing with me that this was indeed a bait & switch situation. Deposit holders are responding with a large scale pull back and stock is getting hammered... What were they thinking???

https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/03/02/rivians-bait-and-switch-already-costing-company/
 
Rivian was forced to backtrack (a bit) on the price hikes:

For anyone with a Rivian preorder as of the March 1 pricing announcement, your original configured price will be honored. If you canceled your preorder on or after March 1 and would like to reinstate it, we will restore your original configuration, pricing and delivery timing. Our team will be sending an email in the next few days with more details.

https://electrek.co/2022/03/03/after-backlash-rivian-backtracks-on-price-hike-letter-from-founder-ceo-rj/

I know they were getting a lot of cancelations and bad press. Even Alex from Alex on Autos said he was going to cancel, 90k was just too much, and waiting to 2024 was too long.
 
Saw my first R1T in the wild this afternoon, a few minutes after spotting my first Ioniq 5. The front end's just as much of an affront to aesthetics in person as it is in photos. Assuming they survive that long, I can only hope they'll ditch those headlights when they do the MLU.
 
Rivian shares tumble as supply-chain woes cut production outlook in half
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/03/11/rivian-supply-chain-issues/
 
IEVS:
Rivian R1T Can Now Charge At Up To 500 Amps With New Software Update
Higher peak charging current is expected to slightly improve charging characteristics.

https://insideevs.com/news/581819/rivian-r1t-500a-charging-software-update/


. . . . According to Kyle Conner, among various changes, Rivian has increased the maximum DC fast charging current from 450 A to 500 A, which is expected to slightly increase the rate of range replenishing.

The previous test, with the initial software, revealed that the Rivian R1T was able to charge at up to around 450 A and nearly 200 kW. Now, we saw that it can take 498 A (at a low state-of-charge), which combined with around 400 V is over 200 kW - 204 kW to be specific. That's actually very close to the 210 kW peak value declared in technical papers.

However, the question is whether this change has any significant impact on charging time? Well, it's a bit complex, because first there must be a charger that can provide the maximum charging current. . . .

We don't have data of a full charging session to determine an estimated rough difference, but brief measures provided in the video (called "theoretical curves") indicate an expected result - faster charging from the start (and related to it, a faster increase in the temperature of the battery) triggers some power/current limits earlier and then charging power decreases in a similar way to the previous tests.

In other words, there are some gains in the beginning, but not groundbreaking ones, especially if someone would like to charge up to 70-80% SOC or more. Nonetheless, Rivian is unlocking the full potential of its vehicles, which is always a positive sign.


Not sure what use this will be. Are there any extant chargers capable of putting out 500A, let alone at ~400V? The cables both on the charger and the car would have to be massive. EA DCFCs are limited to 350A up to 1,000V.

In other news, a household in my neighborhood has had an R1T with temp plates in their driveway for the past couple of weeks, so I'm assuming it's theirs. Unfortunately, I don't think I've ever (over two decades) seen anyone from this house outside when I walk by, so the chance of my being able to ask them questions is minimal.
 
Rivian lays off 6 percent of its workforce as it struggles with EV production
It's focused on building more R1T pickups and R1S SUVs.
https://www.engadget.com/rivian-lays-off-6-percent-of-its-workforce-as-it-struggles-with-production-082137076.html
 
GRA said:
I'm starting to see an R1T on the road every couple of days now. They're impossible to miss :eek: :shock:
It's August in Colorado, and Rivians are seen every couple of days or so. Ioniq 5 as well.
I think Rivian deliveries are up to about 7,000 now.
Ioniq 5 deliveries have been double Rivians already, yet I think I see more Rivians. (?)
 
My neighbor has a brand new Rivian, the hood latch warning gizmo malfunctioned and it had to be taken back somewhere to fix, it came back and the light is still on but at least now it can be driven...... Not inspiring a lot of confidence!
 

"179,454 views Sep 8, 2024 #CNBC #rivian #volkswagen
After a staggeringly successful IPO, Rivian shares and market value have plummeted. With interest rates high and funding drying up, some analysts say the electric SUV and truck maker is potentially just a couple of programs away from bankruptcy. However, in 2024 it received a big shot in the arm—a $5 billion investment from German automaker, Volkswagen Group. VW, the second largest automaker in the world, has a lot to offer Rivian. But it needs something in return. CNBC examines exactly what that is and why it could be revolutionary for the auto industry.

Chapters:
00:00 - 01:05 Title card - Why VW and Rivian need each other
01:12 Chapter 1 - Bleeding Cash
04:32 Chapter 2 - Volkswagen
8:49 Chapter 3 - The secret sauce
11:49 Chapter 4 - Future "
 
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