palmermd said:
your anti ChaDeMo rant is getting tiresome. What issue has Nissan created? They joined a DCQC group and installed the hardware on their car. They have hundreds of cars that can use hundreds of charge stations in Japan. They sent this same car to the US with the same DCQC hardware. Just as its getting deployed a US group decides to announce their competing product and get everyone to stop installing the existing technology. The press releases are just creating FUD to stop the installation of the existing hardware. Heck I bet you can get 7 companies to say they want EEStor batteries in their car and that its release is eminent, so stop building cars with LiFePO4.
I say let everyone compete on an equal playing field. The expensive power hardware is the same on all of them. To switch from one to another in the future if one tech wins, it is a simple matter of changing the cable, connector and the communication circuit board.
LOL, if you don't want to read what I write, don't read it.
You're analysis of what Nissan did is right in some areas, and wrong in others. There are hundreds of CHAdeMO stations -
in Japan! Nissan added it to their cars and then shipped them to the
U.S.A. Now Nissan says "we've set the standard, it's big in Japan and other parts of the world so the U.S. better install our CHAdeMO stations or else." Is that how things work? Maybe for children, but adults get together and talk things through. That's what these vehicle manufacturing giants did - yet folks find fault in that. Somehow the "it works there and we brought it here" argument rings truer for some folks than the group of manufacturers who sat down and decided on a standard.
The biggest issue I have with the CHAdeMO is that it's not fast. 50 minutes is not fast. 30 minutes isn't fast enough either, but it's definitely better (in case you don't know why, the CHAdeMO is 125A v 200A for the SAE). That's a great reason to support the SAE Combo. So is the fact that 8 manufacturers are going to use it, so the infrastructure will grow as more customers join. Think about how impossibly hard it is to sell DC "QC" to Leaf owners on a regular basis at a price that creates a profit for the station. Now think about how much better it will be with 8 times the number of cars - only it won't be better for Nissan owners if they stick with CHAdeMO.
Why on earth do folks think it'll be advantageous for Nissan to stick with CHAdeMO when EVERYONE else is going to be SAE Combo? Because there's a few Leafs out there now, a few of which use DC "QC"? Yeah, let's keep going down that route and see where it gets the EV community.
If Tesla was making this "install our charger or else arguement" you LYAO, because they're one small company, going up against Nissan. Yet, Nissan's doing the same thing and now it's justified because there may be 10K Leafs (may be less) that have DC ports. And, probably half of those are in areas with DC within range. And, VERY FEW of those owners are willing to support a DC station.
Yeah, my points are tiresome :roll: meanwhile the CHAdeMO argument is stellar :roll: :lol: