DougWantsALeaf said:Thats great. Glad the battery is doing well.
What does the board think about the raft of 200-250ish mile EVs now in market with 65-75 kWh batteries? (Mach-E, ID4, Volvo Recharge, Etc..) Do you think it's enough for the US market. I know now that we have moved to 200ish mile evs, we don't talk about range anymore in the household, and conversation has now moved to seating, comfort, etc.. in terms of our next EV. ...but we are not a typical household having an ev for the last 8 years.
Is 300 still the needed bar, or is 200 enough? I am of the mind that 200ish might be enough.
WetEV said:Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.GRA said:In the Castrol survey I've linked elsewhere, on what it would take for BEVs to be mainstream, for the U. S. the average range requirement was 517 km (321 mi.), and you can bet that's assuming ICE-like infrastructure and capabilities, i.e. no reductions for degradation, heat use, charging to 80 rather than 100%, charging stations ubiquitous and fast, etc.
There might be some real information in some of the answers.
Don't count on much.
Even then, the world is changing. With more people working from home, driving patterns are going to change. I can't even guess if that helps or hurts EV adoption long term.
GRA said:Asking ICE drivers what it would take for them to switch is exactly who needs to be asked, as early adopters, who have different priorities (and higher incomes that allow them to indulge those priorities), will always be a minority. They want a BEV to give the same operational capabilities (or nearly so) as their ICEs provide, or they see no reason to switch. They don't care about ideology, only capability at an affordable price.WetEV said:Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.
There might be some real information in some of the answers.
Don't count on much.
In addition to less range, they are willing to accept longer "refueling" times, an average of 31 minutes worldwide (U.S. 30) but that's charging to 100%, not 80%.
WetEV said:GRA said:Asking ICE drivers what it would take for them to switch is exactly who needs to be asked, as early adopters, who have different priorities (and higher incomes that allow them to indulge those priorities), will always be a minority. They want a BEV to give the same operational capabilities (or nearly so) as their ICEs provide, or they see no reason to switch. They don't care about ideology, only capability at an affordable price.WetEV said:Studies asking ICE drivers what they need from an EV is like asking 9 year old boys about sex.
There might be some real information in some of the answers.
Don't count on much.
In addition to less range, they are willing to accept longer "refueling" times, an average of 31 minutes worldwide (U.S. 30) but that's charging to 100%, not 80%.
People that don't know can't give an answer that is meaningful.
BEVs have advantages over their ICEs that they really can't know anything about. You are asking them to compare a sketch of a BEV with all they know about ICE cars.
Now, there might be some real information in some of the answers. But you can't take the whole answer as factual, as it isn't.
Two decades from now, the once 9 year old boys might know more about sex. And the ICE drivers are likely to be driving BEVs.
Still, answers are likely to not be completely factual. Even then.
A more telling poll is how many try EVs and then go back to gassers. Remove the ones relocating and ones changing jobs and the rate drops to near zero.
LeftieBiker said:A more telling poll is how many try EVs and then go back to gassers. Remove the ones relocating and ones changing jobs and the rate drops to near zero.
I think there are a significant number of people who either get lied to about range, or who drive 80MPH and then give up the EV because it won't go far enough at that speed.
DougWantsALeaf said:Agreed. I think the single most important tip when driving to the extent of your range is to drive by efficiency number, which will almost always keep you out of trouble with range anxiety. It does require some basic math. So if you have 55kWh available and need to go 200 miles, you want efficiency above 3.7 to be safe. That's pretty easy if you keep it under 70, but more than many want to think about.
I consider it part of the sport of driving an ev.
My S+ is down to 4.4 miles/kWh this month with temps below freezing and highway driving. Even without heat, i have even seen some upper 3s after some faster highway runs.
I did run heat once, and was a little shocked at the power draw vs. the heat pump in The other Leaf.
DougWantsALeaf said:Ok, curiosity here.
12/5/2020 97.96 172.8 104.75 3072
12/12/2020 97.95 172.78 104.56 3106
12/22/2020 97.1 171.28 104.22 3183
12/24/2020 96.4 170.05 104.05 3220
12/31/2020 95.4 168.29 104.09 3353
I had thought my adjustment cycle was over well before the 24th, but it continued this week. Sadly 2.5% vanished. And I was so optimistic when the first adjustment was up.
(Date, SoH, AHr, Hx, mileage)
DougWantsALeaf said:When the SV+ is up for new tires, I think I will go down rim size.
DougWantsALeaf said:Hey, one thought appeared to me looking at the data. Any chance battery temp at time of adjustment has an impact? My summer adjustments have been more favorable than the winter adjustments.
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