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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:06 pm

Sounds like you have one of the better batteries from 2013. Many 13 S owners are now down to close to 200 miles of range.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:33 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:06 pm
Sounds like you have one of the better batteries from 2013. Many 13 S owners are now down to close to 200 miles of range.
What is "many" ?
What percentage, and please provide a reference
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:05 pm

The 2012-2013 batteries had much higher rates of degradation then the newer batteries.

Tesloop has done a number of studies on there cars.

Bjorn was seeing about 4% annual degradation from 2015 videos. Both cases are admittedly high numbers of miles per year.

That said, many of the early cars report not more than a couple % a year or in total. Its all a bit interpretive as most studies are done on reported range in miles, and not battery capacity.

The new chemistry(s) seem to be much better...and yes much better than the Nissan batteries. Bolt batteries appear to be pretty good as well, though we still only have about 3 years data on them.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Stoaty wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:25 am
Since I wouldn't be able to supercharge the Taycan when taking a trip to Mammoth Lakes, it would be a non-starter for me (in addition to the price). My used 2013 Tesla model S was $43,500 and still has 250 miles of range. I don't think there will be much competition in California.

As Bishop is only 40 miles (and 3,700 ft. ) from Mammoth, and EA is building a QC site there as well as in Murrieta, Riverside, Hesperia, Mojave and Coso Junction (as well as the existing site in Ontario) , getting a Taycan to Mammoth from LA or San Diego won't be an issue once they're open. The sites have been on hold about two months, apparently awaiting transformers from the utility, but now that fire season is hopefully drawing to a close and the utility crews will be available again, things should pick up.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:49 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:05 pm
The 2012-2013 batteries had much higher rates of degradation then the newer batteries.
Tesloop has done a number of studies on there cars.

Bjorn was seeing about 4% annual degradation from 2015 videos. Both cases are admittedly high numbers of miles per year.
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Two anecdotes does not a declarative statement about the entire fleet make.
Look up the database of a couple thousand cars
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:22 pm

GRA wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:23 pm
As Bishop is only 40 miles (and 3,700 ft. ) from Mammoth, and EA is building a QC site there as well as in Murrieta, Riverside, Hesperia, Mojave and Coso Junction (as well as the existing site in Ontario) , getting a Taycan to Mammoth from LA or San Diego won't be an issue once they're open.
True, but it would still be a problem using Mammoth as a home base for day hikes for 5-6 days, which I did recently. Some of our drives were up to an hour each way, no problem filling up in Mammoth at the supercharger. Did another recent trip for day hikes with Bishop as our home base, which worked out only because we were staying at a hotel with L1 charging. I was able to get about 50 miles a night and had no problem driving up to 9,000 or 10,000 feet and back down. There aren't any Tesla destination chargers in Bishop, and the planned supercharging station doesn't seem to be going anywhere. There are a couple of places that have 220 volt charging, but these are RV places and I think you would have to stay there to get a charge.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:44 am
Inferiority complex having a bad day ?
You betray yourself.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:31 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 am
SageBrush wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:44 am
Inferiority complex having a bad day ?
You betray yourself.
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You respond like a Trumper
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:36 am

SageBrush wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:31 am
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 am
SageBrush wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:44 am
Inferiority complex having a bad day ?
You betray yourself.
.
You respond like a Trumper
Trump and Musk, and their followers, have a lot in common.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:39 am

WetEV wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:36 am
SageBrush wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:31 am
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:51 am
You betray yourself.
.
You respond like a Trumper
Trump and Musk, and their followers, have a lot in common.
Nonsense.

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