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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:31 pm

Ouch, I was hoping for a better response.
mwalsh wrote:We at Nissan stand by our product, and we also stand by our customers.
If they truly believe this they would have a better battery warranty. I LOVE my Leaf, but I can't recommend them anymore because of this issue.

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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:33 pm

+1
gsleaf wrote:If they truly believe this they would have a better battery warranty. I LOVE my Leaf, but I can't recommend them anymore because of this issue.
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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm

gsleaf wrote:Ouch, I was hoping for a better response.
mwalsh wrote:We at Nissan stand by our product, and we also stand by our customers.
If they truly believe this they would have a better battery warranty. I LOVE my Leaf, but I can't recommend them anymore because of this issue.
Ditto on the first point. Hmmm, it'll be interesting to see what accommodation Nissan makes (if any) to the AZ, TX and other hot climate Leaf owners, regardless of how many capacity bars they've lost. It'll be interesting to see if Nissan makes them sign some sort of NDA as to the specifics of any accommodation/settlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more clueless hot climate area owners (who aren't here on MNL and aren't monitoring the situation) who've lost capacity bars, haven't reported it anywhere but as they lose more (say next year and beyond) finally realize they have a problem when they do notice significant range loss.

As for the your latter point, I'm surprised you'd say that considering you live in an ideal climate for li-ion battery life.

Perhaps this will end up causing most people (who know better) to lease Leafs instead of buying them. This might be what Nissan wanted all along. After all, they originally wanted to have the battery packs be lease only, at least from all their public statements they made for a long time.
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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:15 pm

So I didn't see anything about faulty software/instrumentation.

It's all normal. Move along.
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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:17 pm

I certainly do hope the batteries slow down their loss. I just noticed I lost my first bar this weekend after 16 months and 16,000 miles of use in socal.

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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:21 pm

I'm at two now, as of this morning. Just under 19 months and 22,000 miles.
ockam wrote:I certainly do hope the batteries slow down their loss. I just noticed I lost my first bar this weekend after 16 months and 16,000 miles of use in socal.
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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:25 pm

^^^
Hope both of you guys have reported it to Nissan (at minimum) and provided enough info for the wiki that's tracking this stuff.

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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:31 pm

I hope this advisory board can help make the LEAF program and technology a success. Through all of my issues, I really want this program to succeed. For an entire year I LOVED my car, and am very sad at the way I feel now. Chelsea Sexton, I for one will help you in any way I can if it means a successful mass-market EV comes out at some point. If you'd like to come down to Phoenix and drive one of these cars that Nissan says operates within normal parameters, I'll help buy your plane ticket, just PM me if you'd like to come down into the trenches with us fighting the good fight.

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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:32 pm

I wonder if any changes will be made to the 2013's as a result?
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Re: Open Letter from Nissan, September 22, 2012

Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:39 pm

charlestonleafer wrote:I wonder if any changes will be made to the 2013's as a result?
They will have a mileage limiter that prevents you from driving more than 12,500 miles/year.
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