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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:40 pm

9 times out of 10, when I'm waiting at a no cost DCQC for more than an hour, it's because a Tesla owner has plugged in and walked away. Time limits on free charging mean nothing to these people. I've even left and come back in a couple of hours to find the same Tesla still plugged in, sometimes not even charging.

Etiquette needs to work both ways...
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:05 pm

Are there no moderators on this forum? Why hasn't SageBrush been banned? If nothing else, to stop people thinking all Tesla drivers are as bad at SageBrush. This person blatantly posts incorrect information and no forum should allow his anger and ignorance to fester.
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
davewill wrote: As the owner of the station, it's absolutely your privilege to restrict access any way you like. Just as it is NOT your privilege to dictate access to stations you do NOT own. If the owner of the station doesn't mind, why in the world would anyone care what YOU think?
Who paid for those stations ? I'll help you out here -- Tesla did. And in some but not all cases, Tesla also paid all or part of the installation costs.
Where did Tesla get the money ? I'll help you out again -- from Tesla car owners. Why ? To build a charging infrastructure to facilitate Tesla car ownership.

My opinion matters because I own a Tesla, and by extension I helped pay for those chargers.

Your turn.
In the meantime, I hope Tesla is taking steps to remove the parasites.
I will say though that if allowed by Tesla, property owners can post a sign explicitly allowing adapter hacks. Or the property owner can actually pay for the EVSE and installation and then decide on any limits. At an absolute minimum, anyone intending to use an adapter hack should obtain explicit consent from the property owner to use the adapter hack on a proprietary Tesla EVSE. You and I both know that the overwhelming fraction of property owners have no idea that these hacks even exist, let alone whether their contract with Tesla allows their use or the risks entailed in their use.
An argument can be made that some or all of this money you're upset about was "earned" via Tesla selling ZEV credits to non compliant auto companies. So taking that POV would mean Tesla didn't pout out any or perhaps a small amount of money for the destination EVSE's.
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:17 pm

DFTBA wrote:Are there no moderators on this forum? Why hasn't SageBrush been banned? If nothing else, to stop people thinking all Tesla drivers are as bad at SageBrush. This person blatantly posts incorrect information and no forum should allow his anger and ignorance to fester.
I for one hope he's not banned because you might as well be in an authoritarian state if you like that sort of censorship. I prefer to allow people to read all of the viewpoints & then one can choose the side or position on any particular issue they want. You're always free to "ignore" him by marking him as a "foe" in your control panel if you don't want to read his posts.
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09/18, 01K mi: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70%
04/19, 10K mi: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82%
11/19, 20K mi: Ahr= 107.44 / SOH= 93.07 / HX= 109.96%

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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:27 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:I for one hope he's not banned because you might as well be in an authoritarian state if you like that sort of censorship. I prefer to allow people to read all of the viewpoints & then one can choose the side or position on any particular issue they want.
All right, let's dive into your viewpoint.
So, you consider SageBrush's off topic remarks and blatantly incorrect information a "viewpoint"? Do you consider SageBrush's antagonist writing, hostile attitude and attacks "viewpoints"? Do you consider SageBrush's snarky comments helpful? Do you prefer the toxic environment produced by this very young man? If so, why? Let's chat!
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:53 am

HerdingElectrons wrote:quote]

An argument can be made that some or all of this money you're upset about was "earned" via Tesla selling ZEV credits to non compliant auto companies. So taking that POV would mean Tesla didn't pout out any or perhaps a small amount of money for the destination EVSE's.
Funny. Next you will be arguing that my salary used to buy a Tesla is paid for by other people's money so my car is actually their car.
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:16 am

alozzy wrote:9 times out of 10, when I'm waiting at a no cost DCQC for more than an hour, it's because a Tesla owner has plugged in and walked away. Time limits on free charging mean nothing to these people. I've even left and come back in a couple of hours to find the same Tesla still plugged in, sometimes not even charging.

Etiquette needs to work both ways...
That is your justification for using a hack adapter ? Really ?!
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Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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alozzy
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:43 am

I don't use a hack adapter, I've never once charged from a Tesla EVSE. You've entirely missed my point...

For the few people using a hack adapter at a Tesla EVSE, there are many more Tesla owners charging far too long at public EVSEs. Those jerks are starting to tarnish the reputation of all Tesla owners, fair or not.

In other words, there are jerks in both camps and the jerks are starting to make everyone else jaded - it becomes a vicious cycle.

I'm not excusing the behavior, but I guarantee some of those people who bought the hack adapters were at least partly motivated by frustrations with Tesla owners and feel they are giving them a taste of their own medicine.
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:03 am

alozzy wrote: I'm not excusing the behavior, but I guarantee some of those people who bought the hack adapters were at least partly motivated by frustrations with Tesla owners and feel they are giving them a taste of their own medicine.
Hogwash. You are trying to say that two wrongs make a right. You most certainly do not have a clue why people have purchased a hack adapter ... other than the obvious, which is to use it at L2 Tesla EVSE stations.
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:15 am

alozzy wrote:I don't use a hack adapter, I've never once charged from a Tesla EVSE. You've entirely missed my point...

For the few people using a hack adapter at a Tesla EVSE, there are many more Tesla owners charging far too long at public EVSEs. Those jerks are starting to tarnish the reputation of all Tesla owners, fair or not.

In other words, there are jerks in both camps and the jerks are starting to make everyone else jaded - it becomes a vicious cycle.

I'm not excusing the behavior, but I guarantee some of those people who bought the hack adapters were at least partly motivated by frustrations with Tesla owners and feel they are giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Better and PIP owners with their tiny packs that sit in spaces for 6hrs, see it daily:) Also almost every other EV type including LEAFs. It's not a Tesla issue it's an EV owner issue.

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