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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:43 am

jjeff wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:25 am
My new '13's CRAP OEM tires wore out before 20k but did make it past the 12 months where Nissan would have really done anything.
This tells us more about how you drive than about the quality of the tires. My 2012 tires were less than half worn out at 20k miles, and my 2014 tires made it past 40k miles.
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:17 am

WetEV wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:43 am
jjeff wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:25 am
My new '13's CRAP OEM tires wore out before 20k but did make it past the 12 months where Nissan would have really done anything.
This tells us more about how you drive than about the quality of the tires. My 2012 tires were less than half worn out at 20k miles, and my 2014 tires made it past 40k miles.
Past experience with commercial vehicles and with the LEAF taught me a few things about this common complaint:
1). Nissan has bad advice in the Owners Manual concerning periodic tire rotations. These tires should be cross-rotated, not directly front-to-rear as stated in the manual.
2). Nissan has bad advice in the Owners Manual concerning tire inflation. These are relatively heavy cars for the tire spec. so inflation should be marginally higher than recommended to compensate for the extra weight. I run mine no less the 40 psi. If not, the shoulders will wear excessively as if under inflated. Keep in mind, the same tire spec was factory on a Honda Civic that I owned that was 800 lbs lighter curb weight.
3). Both my '14 and current '19 LEAF had alignment checks at the 1st annual battery check. Both required significant adjustments, which is quite common after normal early break-in wear on any vehicle.
4). Electric vehicles put down a lot of torque and the low center of gravity makes it easy to aggressively push through a curve. Thus driving habits play a huge role in tire durability.

With that context... The original (so-called crappy) Bridgestones on my '14 were replaced at 40K miles. At the time, they has sufficient tire tread to handle for both dry & wet roads, but questionable for Winter and would likely need replaced at lease-end (45K miles). So made the decision to replace them before end-of-life the Fall before to get some use before returning the car. If I had a 36K mile lease, there is no doubt the car could have been returned on the original tires.
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:04 am

rogersleaf wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:17 am
1). Nissan has bad advice in the Owners Manual concerning periodic tire rotations. These tires should be cross-rotated, not directly front-to-rear as stated in the manual.
Err... why? I did front to rear. What would I see different if cross rotated?
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:14 pm

For the first 10k of my 20k Ecopia's I ran 40PSI, after I noticed them wearing quite a bit on the front corners(10k?) I maxed out the pressure to 44PSI. As far as rotation, on a proper car, at least all the ones I've owned before the Leaf, one shouldn't even need to worry about the tires needing rotation in the first 10k, let alone the tire wearing out to be bald by 20k. When I purchased replacements I had the vehicle aligned(which I asked Nissan to do but was told it wasn't covered under warranty!) they said the car was "a bit" out of alignment. I did end up purchasing Ecopia's for the replacements but they were the + models and so far have lasted more than 20k and still look pretty decent, I should probably swap the fronts with the rears are the rears have noticeably more wear left.
Purchasing a new car and having it come from the factory out of alignment only adds to my feeling Nissan likes to cut corners and no, the car had never been in an accident or ever hit a curb or large pothole, my feeling is it was never aligned or not even checked at the factory. I also am a pretty conservative driver, never really had issues with other tires on other cars.
I'm also not saying the Leaf is a poor quality car, it just seems to me Nissan cheaped out on some things they shouldn't have, for the most part I'm happy with the Leaf and at the time had no other real choice for an EV, still not much better for choice in a non CAFE state but I've heard rumblings MN might actually join CA but I'll believe it when I see it.....
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:19 pm

WetEV wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:04 am
rogersleaf wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:17 am
1). Nissan has bad advice in the Owners Manual concerning periodic tire rotations. These tires should be cross-rotated, not directly front-to-rear as stated in the manual.
Err... why? I did front to rear. What would I see different if cross rotated?
I do a forward cross for all FWD vehicles, unless the car is fitted with unidirectional tires. It is the way my father taught me, and the way his father taught him. I believe my great-grandfather cross-rotated the shoes on his cart horse in the same way.
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:06 pm

Yes, proper rotation is front tires cross to opposite rear and rears move to same side front....

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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:19 am

Why would a manufacturer list a "wrong" tire rotation sequence? What's the upside for them to do so?
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:21 am

powersurge wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:06 pm
Yes, proper rotation is front tires cross to opposite rear and rears move to same side front....
I did front to rear. What would I see different if cross rotated?
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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:13 pm

I really have to second Robert's findings. I've been driving LEAF since late 2011, and other than the early battery fiasco I have to say the cars have been remarkably reliable. 2012 did lose a battery bar just before I turned in the lease. The battery in the 2015 was significantly improved; I bought out the lease and still driving it. I have had no need of dealer repairs other than an early pulling problem with the 2012 that the dealership could not resolve anyway, which I remedied by rotating the tires and increasing PSI. The only downside to the car is the 24kWH battery is obsolete by today's standards. I'd also consider a battery transplant at some point to be a worthwhile pursuit thanks to the reliability of the car.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Robert Llewelyn's review of the Leaf after 10 years

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:18 am

WetEV wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:21 am
powersurge wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:06 pm
Yes, proper rotation is front tires cross to opposite rear and rears move to same side front....
I did front to rear. What would I see different if cross rotated?
My understanding is that cross rotating tires will roll in opposite direction then, and the wear on the tires will be more equal.

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