joeriv
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I stand corrected - somehow I thought there was a Panasonic relationship.
GaleHawkins said:It seems like disconnecting the battery may stop the 0.01 daily SOH decline when parked. I am going to install a blade battery disconnect and test this out when we get it back on the road.
awhile said:GaleHawkins said:It seems like disconnecting the battery may stop the 0.01 daily SOH decline when parked. I am going to install a blade battery disconnect and test this out when we get it back on the road.
With my 2016 SV Leaf I got new 40 kWh battery just over 9 months ago under warranty. I keep the battery between 40-80% charge. I'm at SOH 96.4%. 4000 miles on vehicle since getting new battery.
Since then, the only Level 3 (DC) charge was from dealership the day they installed new battery. My battery temperature was 120 degrees F when I picked it up from dealership! It was 90 degrees the following morning and 80 the next day. Outside temperature in San Diego was 70-80. SOH was 99.85% day I picked it up and 99.6% on third day after pickup.
So from 99.6 to 96.4, a 3.2 drop in SOH over 270-290 days is close to 0.01 average daily SOH decline, if my math is correct.
goldbrick said:4 year update on my 2017 S:
AHr = 74.14
SOH = 93.28%
Hx = 79.84%
cell delta = 13 mV (at 57.3% SOC)
QC = 9
L1/L2 = 565
odo = 27,700 miles
I drive probably 50/50 highway and city, usually below 65 mph on highway (that's the speed limit :lol: ). I don't charge to 100% often but if I extrapolate my usage to 100% SOC range would be about 120 miles in summer with this usage.
Actually as it currently stands, it's the battery size that matters not the number of wheels. Needs to be 16 KWH or more to qualify for the full rebate. Who knows what the new rules might be? Aptera would qualify for the current Federal rebate but it isn't in production yet. I haven't looked into CA rebates too much but I believe that they're similar. If Congress passes a new EV incentive act, the amount and the qualifying criteria will likely change anyway. My concern is that it's only a two seater and I probably won't be able to wait for it to get into production. I doubt that I can stand the battery degradation on my Leaf that long. Pricing on the ID4 is just too close to a Model 3 even after rebates. The Aptera would be substantially cheaper both in initial cost and in operating costs. I'm still thinking about the Y just because it's available now. Maybe a Model 2 for $25K less rebates? A 40KWH LFP battery in a lighter car could work very well. Maybe Musk will pull a car out of his hat?91040 said:Be aware that the Aptera likely will not qualify for the Federal EV credit because it is a three wheeler. Don’t know its status for the California rebate.
johnlocke said:Actually as it currently stands, it's the battery size that matters not the number of wheels. Needs to be 16 KWH or more to qualify for the full rebate. Who knows what the new rules might be? Aptera would qualify for the current Federal rebate but it isn't in production yet. I haven't looked into CA rebates too much but I believe that they're similar. If Congress passes a new EV incentive act, the amount and the qualifying criteria will likely change anyway. My concern is that it's only a two seater and I probably won't be able to wait for it to get into production. I doubt that I can stand the battery degradation on my Leaf that long. Pricing on the ID4 is just too close to a Model 3 even after rebates. The Aptera would be substantially cheaper both in initial cost and in operating costs. I'm still thinking about the Y just because it's available now. Maybe a Model 2 for $25K less rebates? A 40KWH LFP battery in a lighter car could work very well. Maybe Musk will pull a car out of his hat?91040 said:Be aware that the Aptera likely will not qualify for the Federal EV credit because it is a three wheeler. Don’t know its status for the California rebate.
Yes, technically it is classified as a motorcycle for registration purposes. I'm unsure whether California or other states would require a motorcycle license since it's fully enclosed and has a steering wheel and foot pedals for acceleration and braking. It drives like a car not a motorcycle. With a bureaucracy who knows what the requirements might be. Certainly there's no technical reason to require a motorcycle license. I have both so it never occurred to me to check.outerspaceguy said:johnlocke said:Actually as it currently stands, it's the battery size that matters not the number of wheels. Needs to be 16 KWH or more to qualify for the full rebate. Who knows what the new rules might be? Aptera would qualify for the current Federal rebate but it isn't in production yet. I haven't looked into CA rebates too much but I believe that they're similar. If Congress passes a new EV incentive act, the amount and the qualifying criteria will likely change anyway. My concern is that it's only a two seater and I probably won't be able to wait for it to get into production. I doubt that I can stand the battery degradation on my Leaf that long. Pricing on the ID4 is just too close to a Model 3 even after rebates. The Aptera would be substantially cheaper both in initial cost and in operating costs. I'm still thinking about the Y just because it's available now. Maybe a Model 2 for $25K less rebates? A 40KWH LFP battery in a lighter car could work very well. Maybe Musk will pull a car out of his hat?91040 said:Be aware that the Aptera likely will not qualify for the Federal EV credit because it is a three wheeler. Don’t know its status for the California rebate.
Would a 3 wheel car technically be classified as a motorcycle, and thus require a motorcycle rating in order to drive and insure it?
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:cwerdna said:I guess I need to start a new list for 30 kWh 4 bar losers since old list at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=525968#p525968 arguably isn't really valid now due to the firmware update to fix capacity reporting (https://insideevs.com/news/338528/update-nissan-has-software-fix-for-2016-17-leaf-30-kwh-battery-reporting-issues/ https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2018/MC-10143139-9999.pdf aka campaign PC630).
Here are links to the 30 kWh 4 bar losers I'm aware of post update.
Please chime if I'm missing any 30 kWh 4+ bar losers, made mistakes, double-counted someone, etc. I've included their initials or MNL user name to help avoid confusion or duplication. I'm probably missing some since I haven't been closely watching this and other 30 kWh threads.
1) AB, Dallas, TX, Sept 2020: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/permalink/4389071457830328 - he says he got the update in July 2018 already.
2) CaliLeaf, Jan 2020: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30816
3) GaleHawkins, Feb 2020: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=580411#p580411 - date might not be correct
Unclear about johnlocke's case due to the date https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606&p=529513&hilit=replace#p529513, the campaign date and whether the replacement was premature.
my sister's 2016 30kwh leaf SV hit 4 bars in Feb 17, ( 2020 ) went to the dealership to start the process and didn't get the replacement (40kwh pack) until middle of march.
my own 2016 leaf S just hit 2 bars 2 months ago, so I'll probably lose the 4th bar within 2 years.
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