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mwalsh
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:43 am

Thanks for being a purchase pioneer, 91040. $5640 seems like a positive bargain compared to the pain of a compromised car, and I will definitely consider this route myself should I fail to hit the magic mark before the capacity warranty expires. Now I know exactly how much it can be done for, I will push hard for a similar deal from my local dealer (or simply go to the same one you did).

Thankfully, my new commute is only 10-13 miles r/t (depending on which of 2 routes I take), but the car is getting to be pretty useless otherwise - just to get to Long Beach this weekend (32 miles r/t) I had to drive somewhat carefully to be certain of getting there and back without having to recharge (drove very carefully going and was able to drive "normally" coming back).

The only thing that might possibly stop me from getting a new battery pack on my own dime would be ample evidence that an affordable 200+ mile EV will become available in the fall of 2016 for the 2017 model year. That might well make me wait, especially if said vehicle turns out to be the Chevy Bolt.
2011 Blue Ocean SL with 86,000 miles
2015 pack on 12/30/15
Tinted windows
Bosch AGM 12v
Ecopia 422+ tires
L1 EVSE upgrade
FIAMM horns
Superbright LED lighting
2013 sun visors
LED shifter
Heated seats
GT-R map lamp lenses
Altima illuminated door switches

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Stanton
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:50 am

fooljoe wrote:Nobody knows exactly what causes the bar to drop, but the best guesses seem to be that after passing the threshold some amount of time or charge cycles or miles or something must pass before the bar drops. Would you happen to know when you crossed 44 Ah?
If that's true (and I'm inclined to agree), then that means we don't need "heat" to accelerate capacity loss once we hit the 44 AHr mark. The good news is weather becomes less of a factor, but the bad news is we still don't know how many miles/cycles/whatever it actually takes (and with the large variation of readings I'm not certain we could figure it out). I'm heading towards 43 AHr, so I drive and wait (anxiously).
2011 Blue Ocean SV w/floor mats & window tint
12v LiFePO4 battery with Antigravity Battery Tracker
FIAMM 74100 horns
Wet Okole seat covers (front)
Tor's low-power heater mod
2013 sun visor
Battery Pack replaced (Rev E) @51 months and 41k miles

board350
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:25 am

91040 wrote:My experience buying a replacement traction battery for a 2011SL follows. Replacing now since I would soon not be able to make a one way commute of 60 miles, down hill (1400' loss), driving 50 mph on the freeway, without charging enroute.

Called 4 Nissan dealerships in the LA area:
1) One did not return my call;
2) Two took relevant information. Said they would call back after checking. Both called back, one quoting $10k, the other $5500 (Glendale Nissan).
3) One wanted to see the car to verify the proper battery number before giving a quote.

After determining from this forum and corporate reps that the 30kWh battery would not be compatible, I ordered a battery from Glendale Nissan. The Service Rep verified my car information, wanted to keep the car and give me a loaner. Told him I preferred to keep driving it until they get the battery. The next day, I was asked to sign this "Disclosure Form & Trade-In Agreement."

http://imageshack.com/i/idxVoANNj
http://imageshack.com/i/f0kXWGD9j
http://imageshack.com/i/f0qXdVrNj
http://imageshack.com/i/idGZjWc1j

The Agreement could be worded more clearly in Section II., regarding the Warranty of a replacement battery for the replacement battery...if you get my drift

Battery and adapter kit were at the Dealer eight days after signing the form. They said the adapter assembly took longer to arrive than the battery.

Dropped my car off in the evening. Three business days in the shop. Gave me a loaner. Picked my car up on the fourth day. Said that getting the new bottom cover delayed things as well. Total cost was $5640 (including tax).

Original HV Battery @ 104.2k miles:
Last 100% Charge- 155Gids (~11.5kWh to Turtle)
AHr 36.13
Hx 33.72
SOH 55

New HV Battery:
AHr 66.14
Hx 99.99
SOH 100

BTW: I won't be commenting or replying whether it makes sense to replace the battery or not. Other relevant information is in my signature below. The car has a Brusa charger, so up to 7kW L2 charging is available.
The agreement does not show up for me, is the link dead?
2011 LEAF SL, battery replaced under capacity loss warranty 9 DEC 2014 at 36,446 Miles :D

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:32 am

board350 wrote:The agreement does not show up for me, is the link dead?
I think Imageshack is dead - I've been trying to access these since around 3am Pacific this morning.
2011 Blue Ocean SL with 86,000 miles
2015 pack on 12/30/15
Tinted windows
Bosch AGM 12v
Ecopia 422+ tires
L1 EVSE upgrade
FIAMM horns
Superbright LED lighting
2013 sun visors
LED shifter
Heated seats
GT-R map lamp lenses
Altima illuminated door switches

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:46 am

Stanton wrote: If that's true (and I'm inclined to agree), then that means we don't need "heat" to accelerate capacity loss once we hit the 44 AHr mark. The good news is weather becomes less of a factor, but the bad news is we still don't know how many miles/cycles/whatever it actually takes (and with the large variation of readings I'm not certain we could figure it out). I'm heading towards 43 AHr, so I drive and wait (anxiously).
One has to wonder if this is P3227 trickery by Nissan to delay the 4th bar loss a.k.a. "more accurate capacity gauge", he-he.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:04 pm

Surely you don't think that a big, international automobile manufacturer would screw with the firmware to deceive its customers (or pass tests)!

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:30 pm

kolmstead wrote:Surely you don't think that a big, international automobile manufacturer would screw with the firmware to deceive its customers (or pass tests)!
No, but I heard some rumors lately :) I wonder if reverse-engineered code can stand in court.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:36 pm

I just wanted to share my experience. I bought a used 2011 Leaf (in very good condition) this past March for $11,000 with 36,000 miles on it. I thought it was a good deal and think that even more now. Not knowing anything about the Leaf, though, I realized that I should have been looking at the battery health gauge before buying. In fact, I didn't know that the thin gauge was battery health until a month or so ago when I lost a bar on it (taking me to 8). Luckily one night my wife said something to me about electric cars and it prompted me to go online and look at new Leafs out of curiosity on a few things. I came across the warranty, did a little math, and realized my car should fall under that warranty. I took it in, got it evaluated quickly, then waited a week until the called me and said my battery was in and to bring it back. It took basically one day to replace, although it was two to me because I dropped it off the night before they would start it just out of convenience.

I am absolutely blown away by the performance of this battery, especially compared to the last. I was getting 45 or so miles to a charge and now I get around 90 (factoring in how and where I drive). When I turn it on I often see triple digits estimated. I just can't believe they gave me a new battery when all they had to do was give me one with at least nine bars. I feel like this is just about as good as getting a brand new car and now feel like I got a ridiculously good deal!

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:30 pm

eric42bass wrote:... I feel like this is just about as good as getting a brand new car and now feel like I got a ridiculously good deal!
Congratulations :D
You were very lucky.
Would be interesting to know where you're located by addition to your profile and where the 2011 LEAF lost enough capacity for capacity warranty battery replacement.

Unfortunately Nissan didn't treat all LEAF purchasers that well.
Left 70% to 80% with only a Charge Card or $50 :o :|
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Valdemar
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:31 pm

Beginner's luck!
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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