dbarkman
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:54 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Yes. The software update applies to the 2016/2017 model years only. It only fixes an incorrect reporting of actual loss. So the leaf you're looking at now as a legitimate 2 bar loss. Maybe after this summer or next summer, it'll qualify for a warranty replacement.
Thank you! Yes, with the 30 kWh battery in the 2016 SL, I'm pretty sure I'll get a free battery after a couple of summers in Phoenix.

Question on warranty replacements, when you do a covered replacement, does Nissan then give you a new warranty on the new battery they put in?

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:03 am

dbarkman wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Yes. The software update applies to the 2016/2017 model years only. It only fixes an incorrect reporting of actual loss. So the leaf you're looking at now as a legitimate 2 bar loss. Maybe after this summer or next summer, it'll qualify for a warranty replacement.
Thank you! Yes, with the 30 kWh battery in the 2016 SL, I'm pretty sure I'll get a free battery after a couple of summers in Phoenix.

Question on warranty replacements, when you do a covered replacement, does Nissan then give you a new warranty on the new battery they put in?
This was discussed, but I don't remember the details. I think the factory warranty is locked to the age of the car (with a modest bump for the age of the battery itself - maybe 90-days or 1 year?). Sorry, you should check out johnlocke's posts, as he actually had his 30kwh battery replaced under warranty.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:55 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
dbarkman wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Yes. The software update applies to the 2016/2017 model years only. It only fixes an incorrect reporting of actual loss. So the leaf you're looking at now as a legitimate 2 bar loss. Maybe after this summer or next summer, it'll qualify for a warranty replacement.
Thank you! Yes, with the 30 kWh battery in the 2016 SL, I'm pretty sure I'll get a free battery after a couple of summers in Phoenix.

Question on warranty replacements, when you do a covered replacement, does Nissan then give you a new warranty on the new battery they put in?
This was discussed, but I don't remember the details. I think the factory warranty is locked to the age of the car (with a modest bump for the age of the battery itself - maybe 90-days or 1 year?). Sorry, you should check out johnlocke's posts, as he actually had his 30kwh battery replaced under warranty.
Warranty is tied to the vehicle not the battery. If Nissan gives you a replacement battery, the warranty on the new battery is the remainder of the 100K or 8 years on the car. I.E, I had the battery replaced at 45K mi and 2 1/2 years so I have 55K mi and 5 1/2 years of warranty left. If I'm lucky, the new battery will fail before I hit 100K mi. Time is not an issue here because I drive 18K mi/yr. If the battery fails before I hit 100K, I'll probably drive the car for another year or 2 before trading it in. Otherwise, once I hit 100K, i'll trade in immediately. In the next 3 years there will be a lot of new BEV's introduced and I'll have a much wider selection to pick from when I do trade in the Leaf.

Just as a note, a 10 bar 30KWH battery is down to 75% of capacity already. 8 bars on my car represented 64% capacity (232 GID's) as shown by LeafSpy. You don't have far to go and even one summer in Phoenix may do it,
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dbarkman
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:32 pm

johnlocke wrote:Just as a note, a 10 bar 30KWH battery is down to 75% of capacity already. 8 bars on my car represented 64% capacity (232 GID's) as shown by LeafSpy. You don't have far to go and even one summer in Phoenix may do it,
Thanks John, that's helpful!

Just to note it, after a full L2 charge, car showed 100%, this is what I got from LSP:
SOC = 97.7%
AHr = 57.69
SOH = 72.59
Hx = 43.39
GIDs = 264
odo = 16,798

2016 originally purchased in 2017, so I have 1 year of bumper to bumper warranty, 6 years or 83k miles left of capacity coverage, so yes I think I have time for probably 2 more batteries driving in Phoenix.

I like your plan for a trade in around 100k, by 2025, the EV selection should be immense compared to now.

Thanks!

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:49 pm

Another vehicle with some data:

2016 model, I obtained vehicle 11/1/2018

Manufactured 10/2015.
Carfax says purchased 8/2016. Appeared to be driven 30k miles/year. Looks like Temecula, CA. My guess is 100 miles/day, 300 days/year, for 2 years.
Vehicle offered for sale 8/2018. I obtained 11/1/2018

10 bars.

From Leaf Spy Pro:

2018-11-01
After a full L2 charge, car showed 100%
SOC = 95.0%
AHr = 62.20
SOH - 78.26
Hx = 51.16
GIDs = 278 (77.9%)
odo = 62,464
21.5 kWh
QC = 44
L1/L2 = 1259

Another data point 3 months later:

2019-02-03
SOC = 54.7.0%
AHr = 58.12
SOH - 73.12
Hx = 42.62
GIDs = 148 (41.5%)
odo = 63,546
11.5 kWh
QC = 45
L1/L2 = 1330

I expect to drive it 4000-5000 miles per year.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:07 pm

I just passed 10k miles on my 2017 Leaf S and decided I would charge to 100% for the first time in months and get a LeafSpy reading.

Here's the stats:

AHr = 76.40
SOH = 96.13%
395.31V
Hx = 85.36%
odo = 9,9997
5 QC's
200 L1/L2s
SOC = 97.6%
min/ave/max = 4.115 4.118 4.125 (10 mV)
Temp F = 53.0 55.2 50.3 (4.9*)


I'm quite pleased! I did drive about 30 miles today with the heat set at 66, fan on 1, recirc on and still managed over 1 mi / % SOC.

So far, 95+% of my charging has been at outside at work. This summer I'm planning to start charging at home so I can charge during the early morning.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:49 am

goldbrick wrote:I just passed 10k miles on my 2017 Leaf S and decided I would charge to 100% for the first time in months and get a LeafSpy reading.

Here's the stats:

AHr = 76.40
SOH = 96.13%
395.31V
Hx = 85.36%
odo = 9,9997
5 QC's
200 L1/L2s
SOC = 97.6%
min/ave/max = 4.115 4.118 4.125 (10 mV)
Temp F = 53.0 55.2 50.3 (4.9*)


I'm quite pleased! I did drive about 30 miles today with the heat set at 66, fan on 1, recirc on and still managed over 1 mi / % SOC.

So far, 95+% of my charging has been at outside at work. This summer I'm planning to start charging at home so I can charge during the early morning.
395 volts? Looks like you got a little more room there.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:41 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:395 volts? Looks like you got a little more room there.
I don't know if it matters but it was about 35F outside when I started charging. I don't know how the the battery temperature affects the capacity and 100% voltage etc.

I haven't charged to 100% in a long time but it did seem to take longer than I remember for the current ramp down as it approached 100%.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:57 am

For owners of 2016 30 kWh LEAFs, this article is worth a read:

http://evsenhanced.com/services/30kwh-l ... l-failure/

Sounds like early 30 kWh packs have a higher than expected cell failure rate. For those that see a large imbalance in their battery stats via LeafSpy, you might want to proactively reach out to Nissan, citing the above article and your LeafSpy stats as evidence.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:39 am

alozzy wrote:For owners of 2016 30 kWh LEAFs, this article is worth a read:

http://evsenhanced.com/services/30kwh-l ... l-failure/

Sounds like early 30 kWh packs have a higher than expected cell failure rate. For those that see a large imbalance in their battery stats via LeafSpy, you might want to proactively reach out to Nissan, citing the above article and your LeafSpy stats as evidence.
Nissan (and its dealerships) could not care less about LeafSpy. A customer would have to convince Nissan to check for a weak cell with a protocol they have but rarely use and I'll guess not even known about in many a dealership.

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