2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

[johnlocke]

Nov update. 322 GID's 70.37AH, SOH=88.54%, Hx=69.88%, 68500 total mi. 25335 mi on new battery. 18 DCFC and 482 l2 charges on the new battery. The battery is continuing to slowly degrade. Now that cooler weather is here again I expect the battery will show a slower loss until April or May. After 16 months I'm down 11.3% compared to new. It looks like I'll be down by 23-25% when the warranty expires. That's about 18 months away at the rate i'm driving. That's also about as much battery loss as I care to deal with. I'd like to wait for the Model Y or the ID4 but I don't know when they will actually be available. There a outside chance that the Tesla Pickup shows up and I replace both the Leaf and my old Tundra with it. I have to have a pickup but I hate driving the Tundra because of the fuel economy. If the Tesla Pickup has a Crew cab, I might be able to kill two birds with one stone.

[Titanium48]

^ Electricity is cheaper than gasoline but it still isn't free. An electric pickup will be more power hungry than a Model Y (as well as a pain to park), so why not get a utility trailer to haul stuff with instead of using a pickup as a commuter vehicle?

[LeftieBiker]

^ Electricity is cheaper than gasoline but it still isn't free. An electric pickup will be more power hungry than a Model Y (as well as a pain to park), so why not get a utility trailer to haul stuff with instead of using a pickup as a commuter vehicle?

At some point, some manufacturer will start to offer quick-connect and disconnect trailers with automatic docking with the tow vehicle. You'd just select docking mode, and slowly back up to the trailer in your yard or garage (or trailer rental site), which would then attach to the car on its own, with integrated towing and electrical connections in one connection. Then it will be easy and more feasible for people to own a family EV (or ICE) and a trailer that holds as much as a pickup truck bed, rather than own a pickup truck.

[SageBrush]

At some point, some manufacturer will start to offer quick-connect and disconnect trailers with automatic docking with the tow vehicle. You'd just select docking mode, and slowly back up to the trailer in your yard or garage (or trailer rental site), which would then attach to the car on its own, with integrated towing and electrical connections in one connection. Then it will be easy and more feasible for people to own a family EV (or ICE) and a trailer that holds as much as a pickup truck bed, rather than own a pickup truck.

I hope to be dead before I reach that level of infirmity.

[LeftieBiker]

At some point, some manufacturer will start to offer quick-connect and disconnect trailers with automatic docking with the tow vehicle. You'd just select docking mode, and slowly back up to the trailer in your yard or garage (or trailer rental site), which would then attach to the car on its own, with integrated towing and electrical connections in one connection. Then it will be easy and more feasible for people to own a family EV (or ICE) and a trailer that holds as much as a pickup truck bed, rather than own a pickup truck.

I hope to be dead before I reach that level of infirmity.

You really can't imagine not having learned to connect a trailer to a car? That's odd. Many people don't even learn how to drive.

[johnlocke]

^ Electricity is cheaper than gasoline but it still isn't free. An electric pickup will be more power hungry than a Model Y (as well as a pain to park), so why not get a utility trailer to haul stuff with instead of using a pickup as a commuter vehicle?

I'm on solar so the cost of power isn't an issue, the cost of insurance is. Insuring a pickup is cheaper than insuring a pickup and another car. Part of the reason for the pickup is hauling a horse trailer, something I'd be reluctant to do even with an S or an X. Otherwise I'd have traded the Tundra in for a mini-truck years ago. The Tundra is 14 years old and only has 45,000 miles on it. I've had to have the wiring harness replaced twice and repaired twice more due to rodents chewing on the wiring. Mice and rats like to nest under the intake manifold and a lot of the wiring for sensors is there. You are right about trying to park, though. At some point I'll have to replace the Tundra anyway so maybe an electric pickup makes sense. I'd need a crew cab though if I use it to replace the Leaf.

[Titanium48]

I see the problem now. It is unfortunate that most insurance is based on a fixed term rather than distance driven, providing a perverse incentive towards inefficient compromise vehicles and penalizing people for keeping old but functional vehicles around to use occasionally for jobs that a smaller, more efficient primary vehicle can't do.

[LeftieBiker]

I see the problem now. It is unfortunate that most insurance is based on a fixed term rather than distance driven, providing a perverse incentive towards inefficient compromise vehicles and penalizing people for keeping old but functional vehicles around to use occasionally for jobs that a smaller, more efficient primary vehicle can't do.

Some policies do take into account miles driven per year. Actually, I think that most do, at least those for older drivers like me. It just isn't the major factor.

[johnlocke]

I see the problem now. It is unfortunate that most insurance is based on a fixed term rather than distance driven, providing a perverse incentive towards inefficient compromise vehicles and penalizing people for keeping old but functional vehicles around to use occasionally for jobs that a smaller, more efficient primary vehicle can't do.

My insurance does take mileage into account as well as type of usage but the difference is pretty small. The truck is still worth enough that I keep collision and comprehensive on it. The Tesla pickup is a long shot anyway. I'm going to have to replace the Leaf either next year or the beginning of 2021. I'd be surprised if Tesla gets the pickup into production before the summer of 2021. They need to ramp up the Y and start the Semi production. Giga factory 4 is scheduled for Germany. I'd expect them to build Giga factory 5 to build the pickup if the volume is what they expect. Maybe put it in Mississippi or Louisiana (truck country and cheaper labor). Since they have the pattern down, it could be built quickly.

[GRA]

I've got pay-as-you-drive insurance, which currently costs a bit under $50/month to leave the car sitting parked, plus $0.07/mile up to 250 miles/day, all miles beyond that on the same day being free. Although it's not that much cheaper than the lowest annual mileage (5k IIRR) fixed-rate policy I could have gotten from my old insurance company (CSAA), that 7 cents/mile is enough of an incentive for me to avoid using the car for almost all trips that I can do on my bike with or without combining with transit.