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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:30 pm

awhile wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:58 am
ac19 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:21 am
After losing the fourth bar, what kind of tests does the dealership on the battery to check if it is eligible to be replaced or not? Thanks.


Here are snippets of text messages I received from dealership:
we performed the battery usage report, you are eligible for a battery replacement.
The dealership first checked it out and said it looks like it's eligible. Perhaps they ran the Annual EV Battery Usage report. BTW I had that run in November 2019.

Then dealership said they needed to have a "certified Leaf technician" look at it to confirm.

Then later the same day:
Good news! After our diagnostic, we did not find anything else wrong with the vehicle that caused the battery to fail. We sent in our findings with Nissan and the battery has been approved to be replaced under warranty.
I assume the second snippet is result from certified Leaf technician.
Thanks! Probably they connect the car to CONSULT+ and perform the battery usage report.
However, and because the car stay in dealership several days they could perform also voltage tests on the cells!? 🤔

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:32 pm

Alright. Short time follower, first time poster here. I’m looking to buy a used 2016 SL, Pacific Northwest driven as far as i can tell (will check).

What is the consensus on 2016’s 30kW battery? 189 pages of thread is a lot to catch up on. If this is already addressed somewhere feel free to punt me back to the shallow end of the New Users pool.

Thanks
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:49 pm

This should help you. It's my used Leaf buying guide, and it includes a section on the 30kwh Leafs. I'll add the link shortly.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:50 pm

This should help you. It's my used Leaf buying guide, and it includes a section on the 30kwh Leafs.

https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopi ... 2&p=538030
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:52 pm

gracias Señor
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:59 pm

De nada. There may be a slightly higher incidence of bad cells in the 2016 packs compared to the 2017s, but they are the same otherwise. You can see bad cells with LeafSpy Pro, an app that requires a Bluetooth dongle like the one in my signature, and a compatible smart phone or tablet.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:32 pm

northman wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:32 pm
What is the consensus on 2016’s 30kW battery?
Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "kW".

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:34 pm

northman wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:32 pm
Alright. Short time follower, first time poster here. I’m looking to buy a used 2016 SL, Pacific Northwest driven as far as i can tell (will check).

What is the consensus on 2016’s 30kW battery? 189 pages of thread is a lot to catch up on. If this is already addressed somewhere feel free to punt me back to the shallow end of the New Users pool.

Thanks
Our 2016 Leaf SL dropped the 4th bar at 40 months and 24K miles which was 5 weeks after we purchased it. In 8 months and 11K miles the new 40 kWa State Of Health (SOH) is down by 3.58%. It should be a few years before our range is back down to 60 miles on a full charge.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:55 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:32 pm
northman wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:32 pm
What is the consensus on 2016’s 30kW battery?
Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not "kW".
Thank you sir.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:04 pm

Good day all.

Frequent reader. First time poster. I've been reading up on bar loses and warranty claims for the last few months. Since it seems like my 2017 Leaf SV is on that path I figured I'd throw in what I'm seeing after just about 10 months of ownership.

First off, I have to say I love this car. It's been a joy to drive. Really worrying about range is the only issue I've had. Which isn't really an issue. It's more a state of mind. Though I guess if it keeps on the path it's going it may become more of an issue as time goes on. I bought the car back in January. I was going to paste an image of the Leap Spy reading the day before I took ownership. But I can't figure out how to add an image.

In any case the guy I bought the car from had 38,872 miles on it with an SOH of 85.27. AHr = 67.77, Hx = 63.70%. As of yesterday I am at 44,444 miles. So just over 5500 miles in 10 months. I don't drive long distances in general. This is more of a commuter car. Going to and from work. We have a Chrysler Town and Country as our family car. I'm hoping to trade that in for the Pacifica Hybrid at some point. Unless someone else comes out with another plug-in or full EV minivan before that. Though it seems doubtful.

Anyway, Covid has made my driving even less. I'm only going into the office about two times a week. We have a free level two charger at the building I work at, which is great. So that's pretty much where I do all my charging. My SOH is down to 79.52%. AHr = 63.20, Hx 54.27%. I'm down one bar. I'm guessing bar number two should be dropping any day now. In the time I've had it I've only charged the car 164 times on L1/L2 and 9 QCs. Last week I wanted to see how far I could get without charging. I made it about 5 days. I was down to 9% on the dash, my Leafspy said 19 GIDs remaining, 5.2% with a 14.8% SOC. I had driven 88 miles. I think the most I ever made it was I did about 103 miles shortly after I bought the car. I do charge to 100% when I charge. If I charged to 80% as some people say you should, I'd need to charge everyday. I figure charging to 100% but doing it every few days is better than charging to 80% and charging every day. But I'm no scientist so maybe I'm wrong.

Now I'm at the point, do I try and conserve the battery as best as possible? I don't want to be hoping for a warranty claim and then not make it. Then I'm stuck with a car that goes 50 miles on a full charge. Or do I just let it ride and hope to get that new battery from Nissan? At the rate it's going now you would think I get to 4 lost bars in the next 5 years. I mean I've already lost almost 6% SOH in 10 months only driving the car 5500 miles.

Oh, and I live in Northern Utah. I wouldn't say it's a mild climate here. We can get into the triple digits in the summer. Though nothing like Arizona. But it is a good two months of high 90s. And the winters do get cold but not mid west cold. I'd say December and January are the two months that get the coldest. But other than that it is a fairly mild climate. Also, the parking lot at my work is covered but I can't park it in my garage right now so it has to be parked outside in my driveway. I know I've read that keeping it in the garage is the best thing for the battery. Though I wouldn't think that would be a factor in the 6% SOH lose.

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