zigadabooga
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Problem

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:37 pm

I was accepted for the free charger in the Bay Area California. Although, after going down to pick up my Leaf today they told me the trim level I chose online, SV, is not compatible with the charger. Apparently the webpage doesn't preclude your choosing of the SV package, even though one may have accepted the free charger. Now I am either left to cancel my order and start over hoping to get another free charger or take receipt of the SV Leaf knowing I'm kissing away a free 30 min charger.

So why did this occur?

I never attempted to "build" the SL package online, so I never knew the "quick charger" was an option, let alone a SL only option. The eTec section never said anything like "attention if you'd like the free charger you need to chose the higher (SL) package" in bold. Or for that matter Nissans' website should have alerted me that the package I built wont take advantage of the free charger I was accepted to get in an earlier step.

What would you do?
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trentr
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Re: Problem

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:42 pm

you are not getting a level 3 EVSE, you are only getting a quick charge port worth $700. the free blink EVSE is a level 2 240V, that charges the leaf in about 8 hrs. my suggestion is to take that sv and drop out of the evproject before the $5K rebate is gone.
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LEAFfan
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Re: Problem

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:48 pm

trentr wrote:you are not getting a level 3 EVSE, no one is. the free EVSE is a level 2 240V, that charges the leaf in about 8 hrs.
Eight hours if you are completely depleted, but the ave. charge for LEAF drivers is only 2-2 1/2 hours per day.
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garygid
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Re: Problem

Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:50 pm

I Agree, you do not get a L3 charger, only the $700 charging port option!!
And, consider using the included L1 EVSE (perhaps modified to L2) for charging.
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planet4ever
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:20 am

It will definitely cost you $2500 in lost CA rebates if you start over, and more than $1000 more (including tax) in extra cost for the SL. Sure, you get a 240v charging dock through the EVproject but, as Gary says, you can upgrade from L1 to L2 here for about $300 if you have an unused dryer outlet available, less if you're not afraid of doing half an hour's electrical work yourself.

Is it worth more than $3000 plus the aggravation of waiting, when the payoff may be a Quick Charge infrastructure that is very slow to get off the ground, and that you might never find you need to use anyway? Stick with the SV.

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zigadabooga
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:48 am

I haven't gotten anything installed. The dealership is in dismay over the fact my Leaf went into production and was delivered to them without Nissan, eTec, or anyone assessing my house, I never signed a waiver. Anyways, the eTec program offers up to $2600-2800 in costs toward the 30 minute charger. I guess you're calling it the L3. The L3 would have been free with my reservation, except the website never said anything like "hey consumer the SV doesn't qualify (have as an option) for the quick charge". There's no pop-up, nothing.
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thankyouOB
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:53 am

zigadabooga wrote:I haven't gotten anything installed. The dealership is in dismay over the fact my Leaf went into production and was delivered to them without Nissan, eTec, or anyone assessing my house, I never signed a waiver. Anyways, the eTec program offers up to $2600-2800 in costs toward the 30 minute charger. I guess you're calling it the L3. The L3 would have been free with my reservation, except the website never said anything like "hey consumer the SV doesn't qualify (have as an option) for the quick charge". There's no pop-up, nothing.

what you are saying about a level three or 30-minute charger is not accurate.
that is not what ECOtality is offering either free or with a "small" charge for non-deal install.
it just doesnt compute.

or is someone else doing the free charger for you?
and how do I get one?
mine was L2.
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garygid
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:15 am

Your understanding of the eTec program is not correct.

The eTec program gives you the $700 "QC Port" Option (so that you would be able to PLUG IN at EXTERNAL QC stations, WHEN they appear near enough to you to be able to use) on the SL for "free", but you have to pay the extra $1000 (roughly) for the SL over the SV.

They install a LEVEL 2 (L2 = 240 volt) EVSE charging dock (NOT charger, which is INSIDE the LEAF) in your garage, but you pay install costs over about $1200 or $1500, I forget. You "pay" by participating in the "Study" to its end. Early withdrawal has penalties (they remove the EVSE that they installed).

By waiting, you will likely lose $2500 of the CA rebate, but possibly gain about $330 in reduced CA sales tax.

If you WANT your LEAF to have the ABILITY to use public Quick-Charge (QC) Stations (when they appear), waiting for (or "finding") an SL+QC (or SL+eTec) is your only option, since the QC Port option must be factory installed.
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zigadabooga
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:42 am

Ok so my understanding was that were three charging options:

1) 20-hour 120V just plug it in with the converter in back pack (anywhere)
2) 8-hour 240V installed in your home (also at some locations)
3) 30-min charger that will be free with the eTec program installed in your home also (at some locations)

Am I wrong with any of my assumptions?

I was unaware until yesterday that the "30-min charger" or "QC" or "L3" was an OPTION for the SL. My fault, that I ordered only an SV and never even pretended to "build" the SL on the website, so I never saw that as an option. I assumed since I was qualified in the previous step for a free quick charger, worth up to $2500 in costs, that whichever model I was choosing would come equipped with the necessary options, as per the previous step.
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2011-02-24: Ordered SV
2011-06-08: Purchased Leaf
2011-06-09: Mailed CA Rebate
2011-07-05: Received CA Rebate ($5,000)
2011-07-06: Received License Plate / Registration

thankyouOB
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:48 am

zigadabooga wrote:Ok so my understanding was that were three charging options:

1) 20-hour 120V just plug it in with the converter in back pack (anywhere)
2) 8-hour 240V installed in your home (also at some locations)
3) 30-min charger that will be free with the eTec program installed in your home also (at some locations)

Am I wrong with any of my assumptions?

I was unaware until yesterday that the "30-min charger" or "QC" or "L3" was an OPTION for the SL. My fault, that I ordered only an SV and never even pretended to "build" the SL on the website, so I never saw that as an option. I assumed since I was qualified in the previous step for a free quick charger, worth up to $2500 in costs, that whichever model I was choosing would come equipped with the necessary options, as per the previous step.
NUMBER 2 EVSE to charge your car at home is what you get and, as with all other leafs, you get the L2-able socket to plug into.
that socket also works with L1.
What you get out of #3 is the socket in your car so you can USE a level 3. but that is not installed at your home.
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