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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:46 pm

Herm- I should pay attention to the emoticons.

I have been driving 60ish on the freeways since ordering the car to get accustomed to how I would drive to get the range I want. Haven't had many problems and am surprised that even at that speed I am passing cars. A few years ago my habitual speed was 80!

mogur- Being able to drive longer distances will also help to sell EVs. Making the drive to Costa Mesa with my Leaf instead of another car, shows its utility.
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:56 pm

Not to the average ICE driver that sees one going slowly on the freeway and thinks, "There goes another one of those damn electric cars that can't keep up with anything or go anywhere - I'll never buy one of those!" They have no idea where you are going or coming from, or what you are doing and thinking; just that you are simply slow... Perception is reality to the uninformed...

91040 wrote: mogur- Being able to drive longer distances will also help to sell EVs. Making the drive to Costa Mesa with my Leaf instead of another car shows its utility.
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:07 pm

mogur wrote:Not to the average ICE driver that sees one going slowly on the freeway and thinks, "There goes another one of those damn electric cars that can't keep up with anything or go anywhere - I'll never buy one of those!" They have no idea where you are going or coming from, or what you are doing and thinking; just that you are simply slow... Perception is reality to the uninformed...
Well, I'm not going to waste energy just for PR. The 55 mph limit should never have been repealed. It was stupid to increase oil usage, and waste lives just because a bunch of people can't stand anyone telling them what to do.
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:12 pm

OK, I try to balance it out by going 65 or 70 on the freeway in my Leaf anyway... And if I REALLY want to burn up some energy, I take the boat out (29 GPH)! :P
davewill wrote:Well, I'm not going to waste energy just for PR. The 55 mph limit should never have been repealed. It was stupid to increase oil usage, and waste lives just because a bunch of people can't stand anyone telling them what to do.
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:26 pm

Burning the juice at 75+ on the highway has been my M.O. lately. I'm not placing very high on the Carwings tree page ;) When I find the need to burn all kinds of gas I go fly one of my planes... 8-)

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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:47 pm

mogur wrote:I sure hope the rear crash protection on the Leaf is robust! :lol:

IMHO, people seeing a Leaf in the slow lane going well below the prevailing speed will do nothing to sell EVs as a viable concept...
It would take gas rationing to convince those people to buy a Leaf anyways. In any case, I'm doing 55 you are doing 75, a speed differential of 20mph. If you are driving at 20mph on a side street and you see a car stopped in the middle of the road, are you going to crash into them?.. I would think you have plenty of time to slow down and even stop.

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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:55 pm

You might want to take physics 101 again... All other considerations aside that make this argument silly on the surface, it takes much more distance to slow from 75 to 55 than from 20 to 0 (roughly the square of the speed)... Your distance required to initially react is also increased proportionally by the higher speed.

Oh, and by the way, you got the quote wrong ... I said 65 or 70, not 75.
Herm wrote: In any case, I'm doing 55 you are doing 75, a speed differential of 20mph. If you are driving at 20mph on a side street and you see a car stopped in the middle of the road, are you going to crash into them?.. I would think you have plenty of time to slow down and even stop.
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:14 pm

mogur wrote:I sure hope the rear crash protection on the Leaf is robust!

IMHO, people seeing a Leaf in the slow lane going well below the prevailing speed will do nothing to sell EVs as a viable concept...
You may be right, but guess what, on the California roads there are plenty of slow people in gas cars, and they don't get crushed from behind constantly... contrary to this crazy perception that you will get killed on the freeways of California unless you drive 80, I routinely find traffic flowing between 55 & 65 in the right two lanes. As far as I am concerned there is a golden rule of traffic "Slower traffic stay to the right" If you drive 55 get to the right and be happy, if you drive 85 get to the left and be angry when someone slows you down or gives you a ticket, your choice (I don't care what you choose)

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PS: My choice is to drive the speed limit (or right lane traffic speed) to save a little energy and not have to pay traffic fines, but anyone is entitled to drive as they want....
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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:49 pm

Edit: Oops, it sounds like I too need to retake my physics. I retract this post.

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Re: Range

Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:03 pm

Momentum is proportional to speed. Kinetic energy is proportional to speed squared.
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