eclecticflower
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Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:22 am

I didn't find another topic exactly like this in my search, so I hope this doesn't duplicate an existing thread.

It's been a month since I purchased gas (6/4/12, for the loaner ICE I returned) and I'm very comfortable having an EV and no ICE backup. Now that I've stepped outside my paradigm and gone electric, the LEAF fits nicely into my daily life and feels very normal, as I expected. I don't feel like it was a huge adjustment, just a shift in thinking about "filling it up" and planning my longer trips, since my commutes are short.

I'd like to hear OP's perspecitves who've gone completely ICE car-free. How's it working out for you and have you found it to be as normal (or better!) now that you're soley relying on an EV?

Kathy
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DesertDenizen
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:29 am

I have been Leaf-only for almost a year and it works fine for me. I don't drive long distances so range is not an issue. (I like to travel, but I fly and then rent.) In the year there was only one trip that was not feasible, so my friend drove. Since I power my Leaf (and my home) with my photo voltaic system I derive immense satisfaction from using no fossil fuels at all.
Fully charged by photo voltaic system.
Nov 9 2014 got my 2015 lease, SL. My third Leaf. Tucson AZ. 5,500 miles, 5.2 long term m/kwh. Let us see if the 'lizard' battery does better than my 2011, which lost a capacity bar at 6,771 miles.

Stoaty
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:45 am

DesertDenizen wrote:I have been Leaf-only for almost a year and it works fine for me. I don't drive long distances so range is not an issue. (I like to travel, but I fly and then rent.) In the year there was only one trip that was not feasible, so my friend drove. Since I power my Leaf (and my home) with my photo voltaic system I derive immense satisfaction from using no fossil fuels at all.
While I agree that PV and no use of fossil fuels for driving is a great thing, don't you see a bit of a contradiction in these two statements?:

"I like to travel, but I fly and then rent."

"I derive immense satisfaction from using no fossil fuels at all."

It sounds like you are using quite a bit of fossil fuel flying. Not criticizing, just pointing out that total fossil fuel use is what matters if you are ecologically minded.
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Weatherman
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:50 am

For me it has been perfect. Before I bought the LEAF, I thought very carefully about how far I, normally, traveled in one day over the past five years. I realized it's extremely rare for me to travel more than 75 miles in a day. 99.9% of the time it's around 40 miles or less. I figured that one time in a thousand when I wished to go more than 75 miles in a day I could rent an ICE car. Being in a major metropolitan area, there are a lot of places that rent cars.

In spite of my concerns about the reports of the rapid degradation of the LEAF battery in warm climates, I would never buy an ICE car again (unless I absolutely had no choice). It's too bad the LEAF doesn't have a "warm weather package" with a TMS for the battery. It's, also, too bad there aren't more EV options for Florida residents (as far as I'm concerned, the Volt doesn't count). Sometime very late this year or early 2013, I'm going to see what I can do with my 2012 LEAF. I'm not comfortable staying as an owner waiting for the first battery capacity bar to fall, but as I said, I don't want to ever own an ICE car again.
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EdmondLeaf
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:59 am

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... t=Normalcy
maybe merge
If temp here will never exceed 75F I will be very comfortable but unfortunately 105F again and not much hope it will go to 75F in near future. Still looking for good way to cool leaf battery. After less than 2 mo and 2 Km my friend already lost 6 % of GIDs

DesertDenizen
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:27 pm

Stoaty wrote:
DesertDenizen wrote:I have been Leaf-only for almost a year and it works fine for me. I don't drive long distances so range is not an issue. (I like to travel, but I fly and then rent.) In the year there was only one trip that was not feasible, so my friend drove. Since I power my Leaf (and my home) with my photo voltaic system I derive immense satisfaction from using no fossil fuels at all.
While I agree that PV and no use of fossil fuels for driving is a great thing, don't you see a bit of a contradiction in these two statements?:

"I like to travel, but I fly and then rent."

"I derive immense satisfaction from using no fossil fuels at all."

It sounds like you are using quite a bit of fossil fuel flying. Not criticizing, just pointing out that total fossil fuel use is what matters if you are ecologically minded.
Let me add a parenthetical, "...no fossil fuels at all, except the on average one round trip flight a year". I would gladly compare my total fossil fuel use to anyone in USA. Even someone living in a cave will probably burn wood to cook.
Fully charged by photo voltaic system.
Nov 9 2014 got my 2015 lease, SL. My third Leaf. Tucson AZ. 5,500 miles, 5.2 long term m/kwh. Let us see if the 'lizard' battery does better than my 2011, which lost a capacity bar at 6,771 miles.

eclecticflower
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:36 pm

@Stoaty re: desertdenizen's comment:
It sounds like you are using quite a bit of fossil fuel flying. Not criticizing, just pointing out that total fossil fuel use is what matters if you are ecologically minded.
I think desertdenizen's intent with that response referred to daily life, with the very rare exception of traveling outside range on non-electric resources. I wouldn't disparage someone's ecological mindedness simply because the best route to extended travel is facilitated by non-electric resources. Wouldn't we all love to be able to fly on electric planes and rent EVs wherever we go and be able to plug in everywhere we wander? :D Such a nice fantasy!

I no longer find long car trips fun or adventurous, so I fly, too, once a year. When I come to CA for vacation in August, I'll be renting a car. I've wondered whether they rent EVs and would consider one, if there were no possibility of my get lost, running out of juice and stranding myself, not knowing where I'm going! :oops: Since I've only had my LEAF a month and my commutes are short, I'm not too savvy @ calculating range or planning trips on the navi...but I might just do it! :) Because I'm ecologically minded. 8-)
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Stoaty
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:34 pm

DesertDenizen wrote:Let me add a parenthetical, "...no fossil fuels at all, except the on average one round trip flight a year". I would gladly compare my total fossil fuel use to anyone in USA. Even someone living in a cave will probably burn wood to cook.
Well in that case, you are probably doing much better than I am. I usually take two flights a year, one from West Coast to somewhere on the East Coast, the other shorter one to the Southwest. I haven't flown outside the country, but have to admit that is as much due to a strong dislike for any flight over 5 hours as it is to a commitment to lower my carbon footprint. Fortunately, there are a bunch of amazing natural wonders to see in the U.S. Still have to burn some gas for a few trips a year to the High Sierra, but 3-4 people in the car and once there travel on foot.
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kubel
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:17 pm

The last time I needed to buy gas was the day I had to drive to Ohio to pick up my LEAF.

I will eventually need a gas car for distant vacations or long trips or heavy towing (none of which I've done since I got my LEAF). It's looking more and more like renting or borrowing is a better long term solution compared to maintaining and insuring a gas car. If I needed to regularly take long trips, the Volt would be a good choice, but I don't presently, so the LEAF works well.

There was no major lifestyle change required for me to go electric. One day I was driving a Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor that got 17MPG, and the next day I'm in a LEAF. I didn't have to change to drive the LEAF.

I'm keeping the Crown Vic for now, but it's mostly for sentimental reasons. :lol:
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tbleakne
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Re: Normalcy/Lifestyle with LEAF and no ICE car

Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:38 pm

Since I sold my 20-yr old Lexus in January, I have been 100% electric with my LEAF. I drive almost 1K miles per month, but I really yearn for more range and faster charging. I would like to be able to drive 120 miles, charge 1.5 hrs during a long lunch, drive another 100 miles, and charge overnight at a motel. The Tesla-S with the 60 kWh battery and 10 kW charger comes closest to meeting these specs, but it is too large for me. Hopefully the Tesla model after the X will be more my size.
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