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Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:29 am

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Nissan CEO Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise” – Nissan Has Competing, Long-Range Electric Car In Development

“Japanese automaker Nissan plans to introduce an electric vehicle with similar range to General Motors’ Chevrolet Bolt and Tesla Motors’ Model 3.”

Renault-Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn told reporters today at the Detroit auto show that Nissan is also planning an electric car with similar range as the Bolt concept’s 200 miles.”

“He said the introduction of the Bolt “was not a surprise.”

“Obviously we will be competing” with electric cars that get 200 miles on a battery charge, he said.”

“We are the leaders and we frankly intend to continue to be the leaders.”

“Generations of EVs coming are going to get better, less costly, lighter, more autonomous.”

“It may have even more range.”
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As for Nissan, Mr. Ghosn is convinced the Leaf has “significant advancements” due to its long head start in the global electric vehicle market. Noting GM’s Bolt is still as much as three years away, he says there is plenty of time to match the company’s efforts.

As for Tesla, “it is not a competitor.” Instead, “they are helping us.”
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:39 am

evnow wrote:http://insideevs.com/nissan-ceo-ghosn-c ... velopment/
Nissan CEO Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise” – Nissan Has Competing, Long-Range Electric Car In Development

“Japanese automaker Nissan plans to introduce an electric vehicle with similar range to General Motors’ Chevrolet Bolt and Tesla Motors’ Model 3.”

Renault-Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn told reporters today at the Detroit auto show that Nissan is also planning an electric car with similar range as the Bolt concept’s 200 miles.”

“He said the introduction of the Bolt “was not a surprise.”

“Obviously we will be competing” with electric cars that get 200 miles on a battery charge, he said.”

“We are the leaders and we frankly intend to continue to be the leaders.”

“Generations of EVs coming are going to get better, less costly, lighter, more autonomous.”

“It may have even more range.”
...and the battery pack may last as long as we expect it to. ;)
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:51 pm

mwalsh wrote: ...and the battery pack may last as long as we expect it to. ;)
C'mmon ... :x
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:23 pm

Isn't Nissan now going following GMs lead and start using LG Chem?

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Don't recall if that means a liquid TMS.
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:40 pm

scottf200 wrote:Isn't Nissan now going following GMs lead and start using LG Chem?

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Don't recall if that means a liquid TMS.
That was 4 months back.

Nissan was supposed to do a supplier review and decide. We never heard anything after that - so, either everyone is keeping quite or there has been no change.
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:55 pm

evnow wrote:Nissan was supposed to do a supplier review and decide. We never heard anything after that - so, either everyone is keeping quite or there has been no change.
I'm sure they will all be able to make reasonably reliable batteries. They can all learn from each other. Perhaps by "they are helping us," he means that they will be using Tesla's technology in some respect. I don't think the battery manufacturer will be a huge deal. I can already see a cheaper, more reliable future there, just as we see in other rechargeable batteries. The huge deal is going to be 1) real world range and 2) rapid charging infrastructure. 1) is the bigger deal, since you can rent a car for long trips if necessary. And I bet Nissan is banking on that. If GM, Nissan, and Toyota just maintained for-pay Chademo stations at their dealerships and had them widely available, road trips would be possible. They'd need to make them available outside of dealer hours, but there are enough locations to probably work. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:53 pm

200mile range is a total complete game changer. though I will never buy a bolt.

GM burned us all 15 years ago. screw GM.

but 200 miles changes everything. even with 50% battery degradation you would still have a 100mile car

that means easily 200,000 miles probably a lot more before the battery would HAVE to be replaced due to too short a range.

that is 2 or 3 generations of owners at least. changes everything.

200 miles also means a drop dead range of 100 miles (5 year old battery dead of winter heater blasting at night on the highway you can still get 100 miles!!)

I won't buy another EV unless it has a 200mile range (unless I get a super cheap used one) I will just keep replacing the battery in my leaf if I have to until I can afford a 200mile range ev.
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:31 pm

True... Maybe not... :lol:
evnow wrote:
mwalsh wrote:...and the battery pack may last as long as we expect it to. ;)
C'mmon ... :x
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:52 pm

nerys wrote:200 miles also means a drop dead range of 100 miles (5 year old battery dead of winter heater blasting at night on the highway you can still get 100 miles!!)
1 Nissan mile = .75 real miles in ideal conditions.
200 * .75 = 150 real miles.
5 year old battery = 30% degradation.
150 * .70 = 105 miles in ideal conditions after 5 years.
0F = 17.5% reduction in storage capacity.
105 * .825 = 87 miles.

And we haven't even addressed losses associated with highway driving or heater use. I'm going to guess -25 miles.

Worst case scenario: 62 miles, or roughly what you get from a brand new LEAF on the highway in 70F with climate control off. :)
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Re: Ghosn: Chevrolet Bolt “Not A Surprise”

Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:02 am

kubel wrote:
1 Nissan mile = .75 real miles in ideal conditions.
200 * .75 = 150 real miles.
5 year old battery = 30% degradation.
150 * .70 = 105 miles in ideal conditions after 5 years.
0F = 17.5% reduction in storage capacity.
105 * .825 = 87 miles.

And we haven't even addressed losses associated with highway driving or heater use. I'm going to guess -25 miles.

Worst case scenario: 62 miles, or roughly what you get from a brand new LEAF on the highway in 70F with climate control off. :)
I find that the greatest impact to range is a cold battery and wind, and wind we get a hell of a lot here. I find after the initial warm up the heat pump is very efficient, consuming between 400-800 watts with a few peaks to 1Kw and sometimes it's off altogether for a bit. This is with a temp setting of 19 deg C or 66.2 F.

It's a shame Nissan chose not to use thermal management, a warm battery makes a noticeable difference and a big difference to fast charge time.

I find that after 100 Kms between 80-100 Kph or about 50-62 MPH I would want to be close to a charge point or plugged in by 110 Kms or 70 odd miles.

Once we have a real 200 miles range we won't even be worrying about efficiency and probably not about battery life either.

200 miles I would say would need at least 60 Kwh and I can't see the average car having 60 Kwh for another 10 years unless there is some major breakthrough in cost.

I honestly can't see leaf II having more than 40 Kwh max, maybe around 140 miles range or 120 in winter going by the current car.
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