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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:04 am

I'm in NY. We got the Ioniq here finally about 6 months ago. You can buy it in most of the CARB states now I think. And we've had the Soul EV for a few years now. So I'm hopeful that the Niro will actually show up as promised this spring. But I too am skeptical, and I find it infuriating to read all this fawning coverage of the Kona and Niro from the green press (especially the "awards" that the Kona keeps winning) when the cars don't even exist in the US yet....
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:41 am

Reasons I'd possibly get a leaf plus over a Kona if the leaf is a couple grand less:

QC will be standard on the S plus according to the Nissan website (no longer a paid option as implied by Kieren973)

Leaf is larger than Kona with more storage and front seat head room (I'm all torso)

CHAdeMO is better supported than CCS where I live and free at the dealership by my office

Don't really care about 225 vs 255 miles of range we'll take the PHEV if we go out of town and "refill" 300 miles of range in 2 minutes instead of an hour

I sat in 2019 versions of both cars at the car show last weekend and liked the look and feel of the leaf better.

Kona will not be available in my state

I've actually had a great experience with my Leaf

We'll see how the actual specs and pricing turn out but the S plus I'd definitely on my short list for now when the time comes to get a new vehicle.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:51 am

Kieran973 wrote:I'm in NY. We got the Ioniq here finally about 6 months ago. You can buy it in most of the CARB states now I think.
Really? For the pure electric version?

I tried going to https://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your-h ... S-electric and it kept putting me in 95101 zip code but saying it couldn't locate a car when I tried to search inventory. I put in my real zip code and the result's the same.

Oddly, I put in 10001 (a NYC zip), and it does come up with hits.

The sales still seem puny. https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ says they sold/leased 24 in the US in December 2018.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:37 am

Here is some more concise information on the trim of the 62kWh LEAF Plus.

Pro Pilot Assist and fast charging is standard on all the Plus models.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:04 pm

cwerdna wrote: Really? For the pure electric version?
Yeah, the Ioniq BEV. It's for sale in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and possibly even more CARB states.

On cars.com, if you search a 500 mile radius from NYC, there are 54 for sale:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 0&zc=10003

I test drove one of these in the Boston area back in September - at Mirak Hyundai in Arlington, MA. They still have quite a few on the lot. You're right that the sales are puny, but I'm not sure why. Maybe it's lack of dealer enthusiasm/effort. Maybe it's too little/too late for EV customers - maybe people would have bought the Ioniq two years ago but now they're holding out for a 200+ mile EV. I'm not really sure. But at some of the Maryland dealerships, some of the base model Ioniqs are listed at 25-26K....
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:34 pm

OrientExpress wrote:Here is some more concise information on the trim of the 62kWh LEAF Plus.

Pro Pilot Assist and fast charging is standard on all the Plus models.
That is the second time I've seen that pro pilot will be standard in an article but I can't find it anywhere in the Nissan documents or webpage only that it is "available".

If you get all that for $35k or so (potentially) I have no idea how the dealer near me hopes to sell the 2018 fully loaded SV they still have on the lot with a $37k sticker price for anything more than $30k.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:59 pm

Kieran973 wrote:
cwerdna wrote: Really? For the pure electric version?
Yeah, the Ioniq BEV. It's for sale in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and possibly even more CARB states.

On cars.com, if you search a 500 mile radius from NYC, there are 54 for sale:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 0&zc=10003

I test drove one of these in the Boston area back in September - at Mirak Hyundai in Arlington, MA. They still have quite a few on the lot. You're right that the sales are puny, but I'm not sure why. Maybe it's lack of dealer enthusiasm/effort. Maybe it's too little/too late for EV customers - maybe people would have bought the Ioniq two years ago but now they're holding out for a 200+ mile EV. I'm not really sure. But at some of the Maryland dealerships, some of the base model Ioniqs are listed at 25-26K....
Part of the issue with the Ionic (aside from the abysmal rear visibility for all versions - I sat in the HEV and it was like looking down a tunnel with a small opening) is that I've never seen a single ad for it. None, zip, nada, here in the Bay Area. Toyota advertised the Mirai far more heavily. Kia did advertise the Soul EV briefly when it was introduced, and I expect the new version and the Niro to get some ads, but Ionic advertising might as well be a black hole. It's too late now for the current Ionic BEV, as its range is no longer up to snuff, with 200+ is the base going forward, until 250+ and then 300+ become the norm.

I'm kind of confused why people are comparing the Kona to the LEAF, as the latter's a much bigger car. LEAF/Niro seems a much better comparison (given the latter's TMS, greater range and CCS vice CHAdeMO, there's no question which one I'd opt for).
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:05 pm

Every review I've seen of the Hyundai/Kia BEVs (maybe excepting the Soul EV) has talking about the numb-feeling power steering and average handling. While these aren't noted high points for the Leaf either, I think that most people who drive both will prefer the handling of the Leaf. This may save Nissan from being overtaken by Hyundai, at least in the hatchback niche.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:27 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Every review I've seen of the Hyundai/Kia BEVs (maybe excepting the Soul EV) has talking about the numb-feeling power steering and average handling. While these aren't noted high points for the Leaf either, I think that most people who drive both will prefer the handling of the Leaf. This may save Nissan from being overtaken by Hyundai, at least in the hatchback niche.
I wouldn't be a fan of the steering either, although ISTR reading Sport mode apparently improves things a fair amount (in the Niro, don't remember about the Kona), but the TMS would be the overriding factor for me, especially if Nissan continues to provide a capacity warranty based on undefined values. Give me a Niro with the Bolt's steering feel and handling and I'd be very happy. Once I've driven them all I can report back on which has the best feel, handling etc.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:00 pm

Hi everyone,

did any kind of insider info already leak about when exactly the 60kwh Leaf "e Plus" will arrive for sale at U.S. dealerships? :-)

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