DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:16 pm

Yeah, I think that would be another feather in Tesla's cap if they did. It would add 50% to their charging speeds at EA stops and some of the new EVgo stops.

With some of the new state programs coming online (ex. look at IOWA on plughare), Chademo is really continuing to expanding pretty quickly in terms of availability. CCS still has advantage at the EA stops, but with the redundancy of the new stops, I now have confidence to travel across much of the US on Chademo. In some places (like western MN) Tesla's dominate the Chademo usage. Oddy, they with Nissan and Mitsubishi are keeping the standard expanding.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:04 pm

salyavin wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:03 pm
One bit of feedback to give Tesla is please release a 100kw Chademo adapter as you will charge faster which gets you back on the road faster and of course being charged by time it helps to get out sooner.
I live in PA and don't know how it is in other states but personally i would not go for a Chademo adapter for my M3 for several reasons:
1. Tesla superchargers are way more available. Chademo is scarce.
2. Adapters are super expensive at tesla and i would not buy aftermarket.
3. Prices at EA are double than what I pay at tesla. I still have free miles but even if I have to pay, prices are between 22 and 25 c/kWh
4. Many if not most non-Tesla chargers have 30 min time limits on them.
5. Tesla chargers go up to 150 kW, and most are 90 kW which is not a big difference from 100.

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Tesla superchargers are way more available. Chademo is scarce.
*This is largely location based.

3. Prices at EA are double than what I pay at tesla. I still have free miles but even if I have to pay, prices are between 22 and 25 c/kWh
EA pricing in PA is .25 and .18 per kilowatt. (without and with the plan). Chademo is always charged at the lowest tier, even when charging above 75 KW (with the Leaf Plus). in the first 30% of the charge I can get 1.5 KW per minute putting the rate at .16 or .12 per kWh, much lower than what you are paying.. many Chademos in my area are still free, which even a bigger boost.

4. Many if not most non-Tesla chargers have 30 min time limits on them
That's mainly EVGO. EA does not have those limits.

5. Tesla chargers go up to 150 kW, and most are 90 kW which is not a big difference from 100.
Tesla goes up to 250 for the V3 chargers. 100 vs 50 is a big difference. 200 vs 50 is a really big difference. 100 vs 75 is not such a pain most of the time, as charge tapering will override in the top half of the charge.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:49 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm
EA pricing in PA is .25 and .18 per kilowatt. (without and with the plan).
Huh? https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing shows them charging per minute in PA. Are you talking about an effective price per kilowatt-hour when within a certain charge rate band?
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm
in the first 30% of the charge I can get 1.5 KW per minute
Huh? You mean 1.5 kWh each minute? 1.5 kW charge rate is painfully slow and not much better than L1 (120 volts * 12 amps = 1440 watts = 1.44 kW)

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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Chademo is charged at the lowest power tier at all times, look again at that web site look at the bottom power tier. That is the rate you would be charged. If Tesla made a 100kw Chademo adapter you could expect to easily get 75kw out of Chademo and be charged at the lowest tier. I have got up to 77kw out of EA. EA charges less than Tesla but due to the speed of your adapter you would probably pay more as it takes longer to charge depending on how much of a charge you needed.

EA is building like crazy and I personally know Tesla drivers who had no choice but to use EA on road trips, albeit typically only one station. Tesla does have plans to build in some of the areas of interest but not all of them. Your advantage as a Tesla owner is you can use both superchargers and all other charging providers. Perhaps you stay within a dense area and are not a road tripper or refuse to use other chargers, that is your choice but you have a superpower I do not have you can use them all.

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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:11 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:49 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm
EA pricing in PA is .25 and .18 per kilowatt. (without and with the plan).
Huh? https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing shows them charging per minute in PA. Are you talking about an effective price per kilowatt-hour when within a certain charge rate band?
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:38 pm
in the first 30% of the charge I can get 1.5 KW per minute
Huh? You mean 1.5 kWh each minute? 1.5 kW charge rate is painfully slow and not much better than L1 (120 volts * 12 amps = 1440 watts = 1.44 kW)
Definitely some typo's there. Can't get 1.5 kwh per minute anyway. That's 90 KW and not happening especially at that low SOC.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:58 pm

Sorry 1.25 now 1.5 per minute. Was typing too fast.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:01 pm

No heat issues charging my 2019 Leaf Plus 62 kwh

https://youtu.be/hwQ-oprZGCE
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:39 pm

Learjet wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:01 pm
No heat issues charging my 2019 Leaf Plus 62 kwh
You state that your battery temp stayed the about same. Your battery temp went from about 85F to over 100F,
as indicated by the bar graph, check your video. That's what usually occurs when using L3 versus L1/L2.
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Re: 2019 Leaf battery overheating

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:53 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:39 pm
Learjet wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:01 pm
No heat issues charging my 2019 Leaf Plus 62 kwh
You state that your battery temp stayed the about same. Your battery temp went from about 85F to over 100F,
as indicated by the bar graph, check your video. That's what usually occurs when using L3 versus L1/L2.
Not sure what you are trying to nit pick...but I clearly showed it increased in the video...and remained at the level even after driving it back home.

Once again my comment was "no heat issues charging my......" I never said it didn't increase....I see no issues with that temp level.
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