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Re: Chicagoland area

Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:43 am

Tardis wrote:Most definitely round trip.
Got it. I think 3.75 miles/kwh is what you would have to get to make the 60 miles. Does that sound about right? I think it would be pretty hard in the winter to stay above 3 m/kwh. Did you see the latest news about the Tesla Model S lease program? Maybe that will help. Good luck!

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Re: Chicagoland area

Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:56 am

Tardis wrote:My Chicago work commute is increasing from 50 miles to 60ish miles. Not really an issue for summer but winter would be chilly ride since my job doesn't have charging area. Call me stubborn and a glutton for punishment because I can't bring myself to go back to ICE vehicle. So, I'm going to be cash poor with a Tesla model S. I hope to be able to drive to st. Louis once Illinois fueling station built.

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Re: Chicagoland area

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:15 am

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ChicagoTrib article today:
Would appear that 350Green submitted doc to get the gov money and then did pay/partial paid the contractors. And then some of this "That check, a Tribune review found, was written to a company affiliated with 350Green co-founder and Chief Executive Mariana Gerzanych."
Three years ago, a Los Angeles firm named 350Green was picked to build a large network of charging stations for electric vehicles in the Chicago area. Other contracts soon followed in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Utah, California and Kansas.

The project, which put Chicago on the map as an early adopter of electric car technology, is now in limbo, with 350Green soon to be replaced by another company amid evidence of unpaid bills and accounting issues. Several hundred charging stations were supposed to have been installed by 350Green before the end of 2011, but work stopped some time ago, the company said. Projects by the company in 19 other markets also have been halted.

Two Chicago-area contractors working on the project, and others with direct knowledge of the situation, told the Tribune the FBI has been examining the 350Green project. The status of the investigation isn't clear. The FBI declined to comment.

Hundreds of pages of documents obtained by the Tribune under the Freedom of Information Act show that 350Green submitted copies of checks to the city in order to receive state and federal grant money.

The checks show contractors were paid. But three contractors contacted by the Tribune said they hadn't received those checks and had been paid only a portion of what they were owed overall. In the hope of getting reimbursed, some have filed liens against retailers that agreed to host charging stations.

Tim Mason, 350Green's president and co-founder, acknowledged Wednesday there were "clerical errors that took place. Those people involved there who were doing the invoicing and billing are not with the company anymore," he said, declining to identify the former employees.

Asked about FBI interest in 350Green, Mason acknowledged being contacted by investigators, but he would not identify the agency involved.

Peter Scales, a spokesman for the Chicago Department of Transportation, said in a statement that the department "discovered discrepancies in vendor payments after contracting with 350Green to install, own and operate electric vehicle charging stations in Chicago. We immediately notified the City's Inspector General and the appropriate authorities and are cooperating fully with those agencies and their investigations."

City officials declined to comment further.

Mason said JNS Holdings Corp., an electrical contractor in Arlington Heights that has worked extensively on the charging station installations, is expected to take over 350Green's role. A deal is being worked out between 350Green and JNS that would pay contractors about 50 cents on the dollar they are owed, according to contractors who have received a draft agreement from JNS.

Brian Howe, chief executive of JNS, said: "We are going to pay everybody what we need to get whole and move forward."

The city of Chicago has no money in the project. It acted as the administrator of about $2 million in state and federal grants awarded to 350Green. In this role, the city parceled out that money after 350Green submitted copies of checks that showed it had paid contractors. Less than $200,000 in grant money remains, according to city documents.

A copy of one of the largest checks submitted to the city, for about $1.9 million, was crucial to 350Green getting access to half its grant money, or about $900,000. That check, a Tribune review found, was written to a company affiliated with 350Green co-founder and Chief Executive Mariana Gerzanych.


Gerzanych didn't return phone calls Wednesday.

The $1.9 million check was written to a company called Actium Power, which described itself on its invoice as the "exclusive North American dealer" for Efacec USA, maker of fast-charging stations. An Efacec executive, Mike Anderson, told the Tribune that Efacec has no exclusive dealers and has had no dealings with Actium Power. The prices listed on paperwork provided to the city by 350Green were about double what Efacec charges, Anderson said.

The Web domain for Actium Power is registered under Gerzanych's name. Gerzanych tweeted in September 2011 that she created a new company by that name.


In April 2012, the city issued 350Green a "notice not to proceed" order on the project when it learned from contractors that 350Green wasn't paying its bills and, two months later, it issued a notice of default.

About 169 of the 280 charging stations 350Green promised to have in place by the end of 2011 have been installed. Most of those are operational, but in some cases retailers on whose properties the charging stations are located have switched off power. In other instances, according to contractors, the charging stations are not working because of technical problems.

For 350Green, the Chicago project helped launch the company and Chicago as a charging station leader. The project called for more places to charge an electric vehicle in 30 minutes than anywhere else in the country. Ford and Nissan moved up the rollout of their electric cars to the Chicago market because of the 350Green project.

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Re: Chicagoland area

Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:39 am

What a mess ... having never tried to use one of these I'm not personally bothered by this as we simply use our L2 charger in our own garage but for those who were counting on getting access sounds like they'll need to wait until all this gets worked out with the company taking over for them. I often wonder why people do things like this I guess because they think they'll never get caught
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Re: Chicagoland area

Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:56 pm

Of course one can't judge without the facts and hopefully they will come out with this amount of coverage and investigative discovery. It may require public pressure to get this done as it effects so very few.


To this end, and for now anyway, I will be writing to my Senators and Rep in congress as well as the Tribune for its work in this regard and I encourage others of like mind and interest to do so also.

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Re: Chicagoland area

Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:16 pm

Well someone absolutely must do something definitive and fast -- because this 350green is a national company installing these public charging stations, and ANY corruption in the system is bad because it jeopardizes the entire EV movement. Anti-EV people/politicians will use this, a la Fisker, Coda, etc., as another example of wasted tax money and used as an expedient excuse to delay or scale back further EV funding.

The alleged scammers at 350green or whatever they are, should be investigated and or prosecuted if warranted. Because if corruption in the industry isn't stopped early, it will only get worse.

These folks are the reason why we still have so few public L2 and L3 chargers around so far, and why many of the existing ones in the area are shut off or the working ones cant even be accessed by new users (Charjit cards have been unavailable to new users per 350green for months now).

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Re: Chicagoland area

Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:47 am

If the city/state/feds want to save face here, they can take a tiny fraction of the remaining 20% in the grant and just turn on the "broken" stations; make them free. The electricity cost would be negligible and it would at least help them avoid some of waste of taxpayer dollars (these things are sitting there rusting) and it if nothing else it might boost EV sales in the area.

Personally I would have rather had them not subsidize the stations in the first place. It takes away the inventive for private investors to make smart decisions on when and where to put them. For example, the stations at the Oases are brilliant but having them there not functioning not only is a waste of money but it distorts the market. We would be better off of the station had never been built - perhaps a smart investor would have seen the trend and put in a working station by now.

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Re: Chicagoland area

Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:53 am

Sledge wrote:If the city/state/feds want to save face here, they can take a tiny fraction of the remaining 20% in the grant and just turn on the "broken" stations; make them free. The electricity cost would be negligible and it would at least help them avoid some of waste of taxpayer dollars (these things are sitting there rusting) and it if nothing else it might boost EV sales in the area.

Personally I would have rather had them not subsidize the stations in the first place. It takes away the inventive for private investors to make smart decisions on when and where to put them. For example, the stations at the Oases are brilliant but having them there not functioning not only is a waste of money but it distorts the market. We would be better off of the station had never been built - perhaps a smart investor would have seen the trend and put in a working station by now.
I live in the city and there are quite a few stations that work, but I charge at home in the city, so they don't do much for me. Where I really need them are places like the Oasis. I could drive to Gurnee, for instance, if I can be assured that the charger on the tollway is working. If not...tow truck. ;-)

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Re: Chicagoland area

Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:27 pm

I sent an email to the Toll Road people a while ago and I eventually received an email from the people taking over 350.green saying the chargers were working, but I'd trust that as far as I would trust the voice of a ..... (You fill in the blank.)

It would be great if someone could actually stop by the Lake forest Oasis and check it out..someone who knows!!

To be told the L3 is working would be useless for me as I have not been able to get a card to access these machines.

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Re: Chicagoland area

Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:24 am

Looks like the IL 'EL' series electric vehicle plates have a decent boost in new registrations ... could be wrong on the specific number but I saw a new white Tesla S sedan with what looked like '465 EL' as its rear plate (no front plate to otherwise ruin that nice front end) this was over in the Long Grove area. Also saw a black Tesla S in the same area but it still had its temporary yellow cardboard tag. Any other new EV sightings?
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