The issues, such as they are, are not a barrier to longevity.WetEV said:A Tesla isn't a good bet, due to other reliability issues..
The issues, such as they are, are not a barrier to longevity.WetEV said:A Tesla isn't a good bet, due to other reliability issues..
smkettner said:I would not buy those cars either.RonDawg said:smkettner said:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
Many modern ICEVs can hardly make it to half that time before ending up in a junkyard, particularly if it has a CVT.
No CVT or any transmission is a definite plus for EVs. My 2001 F150 transmission (4r70w) still going great at 200,000 miles.
Yep.KeiJidosha said:[ But Hybrid EVs are mostly of the eCVT variety
I'm unclear on how a Tesla is any different. I'd have to make the same allowances for any BEV; indeed, I've made such calcs for a variety of BEVs including some Teslas that I've considered (and rejected, for lack of range/longevity). The only advantage that Teslas have at this time is that the more expensive models start with greater range than other companies' products. Does Tesla even offer a capacity warranty yet?SageBrush said:I consider a 30% degradation by year 8 to be piss poor but the thing that is particularly nasty is that an owner may find themselves at that performance well before 8 years. So these companies are really saying that a consumer has to buy a battery capacity 1/0.7 = 1.43x larger than their expected use profile.
So e.g., if a consumer has to have 100 EPA mile range and lives in 4 season climate where a 30% range penalty can be expected during bad weather then the EV range required is ~ 200 miles. An aggressive driver who expends 20% more energy per distance than the EPA test would require an 200/0.8 = 250 miles.
A consumer who wants to road trip at 70 - 75 mph:
150 mile EPA range
30% weather allowance
20% higher speed allowance
30% degradation allowance
> 382 EPA mile range car.
It really does add up for non Tesla EVs, and that is only looking out 8 years.
GRA said:... Does Tesla even offer a capacity warranty yet?
Thanks. IIRR they used to just warranty the battery for the usual failures, but not capacity. I wonder if they introduced this with the Model 3, or earlier on the S/X?KeiJidosha said:GRA said:... Does Tesla even offer a capacity warranty yet?
It seems they do. From their website;
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
"Model 3 - 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 with Long-Range Battery - 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period."
GRA said:Thanks. IIRR they used to just warranty the battery for the usual failures, but not capacity. I wonder if they introduced this with the Model 3, or earlier on the S/X?
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