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When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:53 pm

I am in about 2 months now on a new 2019 Leaf. I have read differing opinions on what charging habits are best for battery longevity. I charge at home with a Level-2 included with the car (220V). I have a commute that is almost 25 miles downhill. Obviously, that makes the return trip almost all back uphill. The freeway is 80 MPH or die, or stop-and-go, never really a reasonable cruise. I can make it 2 days on a charge, at which time I am down to about 20%. Questions:

Is it better to charge back to 100% every day or every other day? I am worried about the regen, as the first day of a fresh charge downhill barely reduces the charge. Am I pushing the range by going for 2 days?

If my return ends at 20% on Friday, is it better to charge that day and let it sit the whole weekend at 100%, or leave it at 20% until Sunday night?

So far I really like this car for a no-snow commute (95% of the year). I had some anxiety the first few days of not really knowing how far I could go. The 160 mile range claim is not really accurate on my type of commute, but a assumed that from the start. I want to give the battery the most life possible.

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Re: When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:41 pm

If you can charge to 90% every day, that would be a little better than 100% every other day, but even that isn't bad as long as you drive the car shortly after charging finishes.
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Re: When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:05 pm

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I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Where is this "80 MPH or die" freeway? Heat is probably the biggest factor in the battery's longevity.

20% is fine and probably better sitting there for the weekend instead of 100%, but weigh that agains the utility of having the car ready-to-go if needed. I think people worry too much about this issue and have shell-shock from the awful batteries Nissan put out the first few years. I keep my 2015 topped off at 100% most of the time and it's doing pretty well.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:14 pm

40 or 62 kWh battery? It sounds like a 40.

I would use one of the charge timers to charge the car for 1.5 hours each morning before you leave for work & you can "top off" charge as needed or adjust your weekday charge session accordingly.

Aiming for a max charge of around 75% will give you max regain potential & a great battery life since your daily commute is so short relative to the pack size & your winter weather will be comparatively mild compared to the colder states.
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Re: When to charge?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:06 pm

Definitely don't charge to 100% every day.
Running it down to 40 or so would be better than 20%.
Sounds like you could charge every day to 80% do your thing and run it down to 40% and do that every day for your usual routine.
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Re: When to charge?

Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:29 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:14 pm
I would use one of the charge timers to charge the car for 1.5 hours each morning before you leave for work & you can "top off" charge as needed or adjust your weekday charge session accordingly.

Aiming for a max charge of around 75% will give you max regain potential & a great battery life since your daily commute is so short relative to the pack size & your winter weather will be comparatively mild compared to the colder states.
I agree with using the Charge Timer overnight to get around 75 %. I would say 80%, but the 75% may leave more room for regen for your down hill commute. You may need to use a trial-and-error method to figure out an average (duration) value/setting for the Timer that works for you, since I doubt that you want to change the Timer setting often.
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Re: When to charge?

Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:20 am

Nubo wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:10 pm
Where is this "80 MPH or die" freeway? Heat is probably the biggest factor in the battery's longevity.

20% is fine and probably better sitting there for the weekend instead of 100%, but weigh that agains the utility of having the car ready-to-go if needed. I think people worry too much about this issue and have shell-shock from the awful batteries Nissan put out the first few years. I keep my 2015 topped off at 100% most of the time and it's doing pretty well.
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I've done the same with our 2015 LeafS. GOM indicated range is still 85-88 at start-up, rarely (maybe 10 times???) do we drop it below 40. We like to keep max range available, never knowing when we might need to run a longer errand after our 10-15mile commute. Deliberately drop it to --- only 3 times, never had the courage to go to turtle mode.


I'm normally OCD about technical details, and strongly considered the 80% limit, decided to just drive it, plug it in, repeat. We're very pleased with the result.
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Re: When to charge?

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:17 am

gncndad wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:20 am
I've done the same with our 2015 LeafS. GOM indicated range is still 85-88 at start-up, rarely (maybe 10 times???) do we drop it below 40. We like to keep max range available, never knowing when we might need to run a longer errand after our 10-15mile commute.
That's similar to how I used my 2013 (except I used LeafSpyPro to know the range, rather than the useless GOM). I was always worried I might need to drive 30 miles somewhere, so I always kept it charged.

It's different when you move onto a car with more range, however. My S at 90% charge (the default) is 225 miles. I quickly realized I don't need to keep it charged that much. I now have it set to charge to 70% or 80%, and I don't start to charge until I'm down to 120 miles (or it's a Monday). That lets me easily charge the car back up to 80% in 4 hours (which is important, since the EVSEs at work are shared by 2 spots and I really only get half a day).
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Re: When to charge?

Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:19 pm

I keep my 2018 at 60-75%, usually the lower end of the range. I charge maybe once a week, typically.
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