If I understand what you're saying, first you and a bunch of Leaf owners decide that GM needs to sell 2000 Volts per month and if that doesn't happen the Volt market isn't fine. Why not pick 1000 as the number, it's higher than the Leaf number, and declare 1200 a bust out month?evnow said:- Volt (market) is not fine. It is selling less than what most of us thought it would sell (the guess on gm-volt ranged 2K and above)
- Mitsu i is the cheapest EV you can "buy"
- Ghosn's job is on the line, ofcourse. But he needs to show results in 3 to 5 years. In the next year, he needs to sell every Leaf they can make - which I have little doubt they will be able to, worldwide.
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Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., Japan's second-largest automotive company, is headquartered in Yokohama, Japan, and is part of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. Operating with more than 248,000 employees globally, Nissan provided customers with more than 4.1 million vehicles in 2010, generating revenue of 8.77 trillion yen ($102.37 billion US). With a strong commitment to developing exciting and innovative products for all, Nissan delivers a comprehensive range of 64 models under the Nissan and Infiniti brands. A pioneer in zero-emission mobility, Nissan made history with the introduction of the Nissan LEAF, the first affordable, mass-market, pure-electric vehicle and winner of numerous international accolades, including the prestigious 2011 European Car of the Year award and 2011 World Car of the Year.
Per http://www.plugincars.com/mitsubishi-i-miev/review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SanDust said:Where can you buy an i-Miev?evnow said:- Mitsu i is the cheapest EV you can "buy"
Mitsubishi has scheduled its first U.S. deliveries for January 2012. Prospective buyers will make a $299 deposit, plus $99 for a home inspection related to installation of charging equipment. Mitsubishi will waive the home electrical inspection fee for the first 2,000 potential buyers who sign up at http://i.mitsubishicars.com.
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Availability & Timeline for Mitsubishi i -- The company begins taking orders of the i in spring 2011, with the first deliveries scheduled for January 2012. Prospective buyers will make a $299 deposit, plus $99 for a home inspection related to installation of charging equipment.Mitsubishi said the initial goal is to deliver about 2,000 units of the i, and later expand to between 20,000 and 30,000 units per year. In other words, expect a slow rollout.
Yes - if you order today, you could get an i earlier than a leaf.scottf200 said:Per http://www.plugincars.com/mitsubishi-i-miev/review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some interesting tidbits include that Ghosn doesn't expect U.S. production of the Leaf (in Smyrna, TN) will lower the price at all, it'll just help Nissan move toward what it wants, "which is a sustainable model without support from the government."
DrInnovation said:edatoakrun said:How are the Volt buybacks (16 reported returned to GM so far, due to "fire risk") accounted for in these totals?
What is your basis for that statement?
muus said:However, I am worried that the demand for the Leaf will be saturated soon after production starts in Tennessee unless Nissan lowers the price. I read an article recently (can't find it) where Ghosn said he has no intention of lowering the price of the Leaf when production starts in the US.
charlestonleafer said:I think a Leaf at the current price of 28k (assuming no state incentives) is a very good deal.
charlestonleafer said:I think a Leaf at the current price of 28k (assuming no state incentives) is a very good deal.
The problem is - Americans equate value to size of the vehicle. So, they don't mind paying more for a larger clunk compared to a well designed smaller car.DaveL said:I think your right, especially since the "average transaction price for light vehicles in the United States rose to $30,317"
TomT said:While, on the surface, this is true, the problem is that the federal rebate is a tax credit, not an actual rebate, and thus many people will not be able utilize it depending on their particular tax situation. Ironically, the better their CPA, the more likely this is to be true. For these people, leasing is the only option to take advantage of the credit. That is one of the reasons (but not the only) why I opted for the 48 month lease.
charlestonleafer said:I think a Leaf at the current price of 28k (assuming no state incentives) is a very good deal.
No - you don't understand (or probably pretend not to understand).SanDust said:If I understand what you're saying, first you and a bunch of Leaf owners decide that GM needs to sell 2000 Volts per month and if that doesn't happen the Volt market isn't fine.
evnow said:Infact, Days Supply for Volt is a staggering 134 (and Leaf is 21).
That's just wrong.evnow said:Yes - if you order today, you could get an i earlier than a leaf.scottf200 said:Per http://www.plugincars.com/mitsubishi-i-miev/review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's kind of a sickening testament to GM - for ever spinning reality, regardless of whether truth is nipping at their heals. I still want the Volt (better priced, better built, and less complex) to be a screaming success - but I'm having visions of the days when Hummers were stacking up on dealer lots - only to have to rent extra space on malls so they could hide/store the inventory. A very creepy deja vu.evnow said:No - you don't understand (or probably pretend not to understand).
We know how much GM produced. We know how much GM sold. There is a big difference there.
Infact, Days Supply for Volt is a staggering 134 (and Leaf is 21).
All along GM kept saying - the supply is limited - not the Demand. Some may continue to beleive that and ignore reality. But it is starting to look like - there is a real demand problem with Volt now. I'd like to see any other explanations.
I'll start a new thread on this.
hill said:That's just wrong.evnow said:Yes - if you order today, you could get an i earlier than a leaf.scottf200 said:Per http://www.plugincars.com/mitsubishi-i-miev/review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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