pkulak
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Arg, I didn't think of that. If they just sell 4000 at over MSRP, I'm not gonna be too happy...
the bolt is a compact. The amount of cargo room difference between the Mitsu and the bolt is light years apart.pkulak said:Yeah, if it's that late, who cares. The Bolt will be out by then (which I'd rather have anyway)...... .snip......
GetOffYourGas said:Forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is a Disco?
I'm guessing those are diesels, based on the badging shown on the white one (can't make it all out, but the first letter is definitely a "D"). I sure wish they'd lose most/all of that bright chrome. It's so '60s. And I actually prefer the previous gen's front end compared to the "whale shark" gaping black grill on the newer one.pkulak said:Looks like someone got a shot of the 2016s on a boat? They say they are PHEVs, but they look like they could just as easily be diesel to me. If they are PHEVs, that's probably a really good sign.
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ahagge said:All that said, I have cash ready and waiting just as soon as they can get some to the States...
http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-chief-engineer-talks-future-electric-drive-us-videos/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Mitsubishi USA’s chief engineer for regulatory compliance, David Patterson sits down for an extended 2-part interview with EV World and talks about all things plug-in - past, present and future.
As the two part video is quite lengthy (37 mins) - but also quite excellent, we have time stamped the topics of interest covered.
Topics covered in Part 1 - above (time stamp):
•Mitsubishi i-MiEV history (1:00)
•US conversion of the i-MiEV to North American spec (2:58)
•Mitsu’s 20-20 plan - "20% of vehicles electric drive by 2020" (5:00)
•PSA/Citroen’s rebadge of the i-MiEV in Europe (6:30)
•Normal, Illinois - EV Town USA update (9:25)
•What’s wrong with i-MiEV sales vs the Nissan LEAF? Mr. Patterson points to his company’s small size, smaller ad budget - not the car itself. Fair? (12:30)
•Small range an issue for the i-MiEV? Plans for more miles in the future? (14:00)
•Outlander PHEV introduction to the US in 2016 - "still squishy", Mitsubishi forced to developed special US model - America no longer #1 EV market (17:00)
pkulak said:Hopefully it squishes up and not back.
But, we can probably take from this a mid-year release, at best.
I think the Audi A3 e-Tron Sportwagen will take a lot of their potential business, and if VW brings out an AWD Golf Sportwagen version priced even more competitively than the Audi, that will really suck much of the wind out of Mitsubishi's sails. What would have been a smash hit in 2013 or 2014 will likely be just another possible option in 2015, and behind the curve in 2016. The usual mid-cycle facelift is unlikely to make a significant difference to sales IMO - they'll need to significantly upgrade the powertrain and other mechanical components to improve the performance too.pkulak said:Also ran compared to what? BMWs and Volvo's with 8-speed transmissions and price tags higher than a Tesla 85? Mitsubishi is still the only company that's not just bolting a battery onto an existing, unmodified ICE drive train.
Sure it's smaller and likely more expensive, but how many people were considering the Outlander solely because it was a C23,249UV, and what percentage of those people need that much space (and are willing to do without the Audi's better performance and handling)? FTM, we still don't know what the prices of either vehicle will be when they arrive here Articles from last summer indicate the Audi starts (or is that all-in, like the e-Golf was originally?) at 37,900 Euros in Europe (about $51,500, but U.S. prices don't include VAT and other fees that Europe has); I expect the A3 will come in around $40k. The Outlander is listed from 28,249 to 39,999 pounds in the UK, AFTER the 5,000 pound govt. rebate. Given the varying VAT rates in different European countries plus different taxes on cars, trying to make a direct comparison between the two at the moment seems pretty futile.pkulak said:That Audi still looks like it'll be 10-20 grand more than the Outlander, with far less interior room and half the EV miles. I'm telling you, the Outlander will have no peers when it comes out, whenever it comes out.
GRA said:... but how many people were considering the Outlander solely because it was a C23,249UV, and what percentage of those people need that much space (and are willing to do without the Audi's better performance and handling)?
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