TomT
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Unfortunately, that also means he has 4 years on a defective battery in Texas heat...
DaveinOlyWA said:you have 11,000 miles on your LEAF?
wow
DaveinOlyWA said:you have 11,000 miles on your LEAF?
wow
...and pure fantasy.TimLee said:The June 2016 projection is staggering.
My 2011 will finish five years of service May 17, 2016.
For it to only bring $1,775 at auction or $2,375 at retail is an immense fall off the cliff drop in value...
edatoakrun...Love the guessometer-like-performance of the future price projections.
I assume they just plug recent price fluctuations into a future timescale?
Since you're so unhappy, do you want to sell it?TomT said:So, extrapolating from this, mine would sell at auction for around 5 grand!...
OrientExpress said:My pleasure.
So, why not just spend that the $8K that you were going to spend plus the $6000 or less that you will need to spend on a replacement battery and get a 2013-15 LEAF instead? You will get so much more; A better Battery, a better HVAC, a better charger, a better motor, better software, a better ride & handling, a better body structure, A lot of betters!
And so it is, the life of a Version 1, rev 0 product.
OrientExpress said:My pleasure.
I must say that despite the low prices, I really can't recommend buying a 2011 or 12 LEAF. And my advice at this point is not directed generally about the car, but rather the Gen-1 battery. The rest of the car is the most reliable trouble-free car that i have ever driven. This is the first car that I had ever had that had NO warranty claims on it for it's entire warranty.
So if you don't care about the battery, or the many inefficient ways it does thing s, then by all means get one.
But remember, the vast majority of 11-12 LEAFs on the road today have some amount of noticeable battery degradation. Eventually the battery will become unserviceable for a whole host of issues. A replacement battery will cost somewhere between $0 & $6000. And most 2011 LEAFs will be going out of battery warranty next year.
So, why not just spend that the $8K that you were going to spend plus the $6000 or less that you will need to spend on a replacement battery and get a 2013-15 LEAF instead? You will get so much more; A better Battery, a better HVAC, a better charger, a better motor, better software, a better ride & handling, a better body structure, A lot of betters!
And so it is, the life of a Version 1, rev 0 product.
I concur with faster 6 kW on board charger and heat pump heater being big improvements if you go with SV or SL.OrientExpress said:... So, why not just spend that the $8K that you were going to spend plus the $6000 or less that you will need to spend on a replacement battery and get a 2013-15 LEAF instead? You will get so much more; A better Battery, a better HVAC, a better charger, a better motor, better software, a better ride & handling, a better body structure, A lot of betters!
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TomT said:The best deal would likely be a 2011 or 2012 with a battery replacement with an E or later revision Lizard battery. Cheap, very reliable car, with (we hope) a better battery...
Valdemar said:If the depreciation trend continues for the 2015 cars the best deal will be 2015 in 2016.TomT said:The best deal would likely be a 2011 or 2012 with a battery replacement with an E or later revision Lizard battery. Cheap, very reliable car, with (we hope) a better battery...
OrientExpress said:42 months yields about a 50% decrease in wholesale pricing. This is not unusual for a vehicle that is a first generation vehicle and has been superseded by a versions with significant improvements and has aged by 3 and a half years.
TomT said:The best deal would likely be a 2011 or 2012 with a battery replacement with an E or later revision Lizard battery.
TomT said:One of the reasons why I would never buy a new Leaf (versus leasing) unless I planned to keep it a VERY long time until it was just trash... Even then, it likely would not have a good ROI... I'm not sure that EVs (with the exception of Tesla) will be a good new purchase ROI chose for some time to come...
Valdemar said:If the depreciation trend continues for the 2015 cars the best deal will be 2015 in 2016.TomT said:The best deal would likely be a 2011 or 2012 with a battery replacement with an E or later revision Lizard battery. Cheap, very reliable car, with (we hope) a better battery...
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