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Re: Tesla Model X

Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:02 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
DesertSprings wrote:Did you also hit a tree afterwords?

No, since (unlike the buck) none of the nearby trees ran into my lane... and I never lost control of the car.


If you read the posts above, you will learn that
1) The driver was injured by the collision with the deer
2) The vehicle struck a tree after the deer (possibly a result of the injury followed by losing control of the car)

As for how this driver got injured and you didn't? Pure speculation, but it could simply be the height of impact with the deer. Deer like to jump. If the deer hit the X in the windshield, it probably was mid-jump. I'm guessing in your case that the deer would have jumped nearly clear over your car, or maybe landed in your lap :shock:

Just guessing here, but one of the reasons for the lack of impact with the windshield on the Fiat is that cars of that era weren't required to have sloping grills and hoods so that any pedestrian wouldn't be driven over, but instead be rolled up onto the hood. Additional damage to the Tesla is most likely just the difference between a car that is designed with crush space, and one that isn't - I have no doubt that my '65 Impala would look a lot less damaged by a deer impact at that speed than a modern car, but as my head would probably be through the windshield and/or my chest impaled on the steering column, if I didn't have a broken neck (it only had lap belts, the seat backs didn't lock and there were no head rests, never mind air bags), it would be small comfort.

In this particular case, Scott thought that the deer might have been hit first by the car in front of him, which might well have caused the deer to roll up and over the roof of that car and onto the hood of scott's car depending on the following distance, although I'd think it far more likely that it was thrown high or jumped. In the '70s I saw a deer hit the car in front of me and roll up onto the hood, but its momentum carried it off to the side and back onto its feet, and adrenaline allowed it to run off the road and into the forest (where it presumably died shortly thereafter).

Then there's just random chance - unlike NHTSA and IIHS tests, real world crashes can have a lot more variables. Personally, I'm in no doubt that any car meeting modern safety standards is far more likely than an older model to leave me unhurt or at least with much less severe injuries (even though it's more likely to be totaled), but that's no guarantee that it will do so in every single case. I've had a deer commit suicide using my car once, in the early '90s, but in that case I just hit the deer's head and neck with the left front corner of my Subaru (it was heading right), which spun it around and slammed its body into my left rear door. The only injury was to my car, about $1,300 worth of body damage, but it was still drivable. The deer died about two minutes later (all its legs were broken, plus whatever internal injuries it had suffered). If it had been straight in front of me instead of offset, who knows what would have happened - its a crapshoot.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:12 am

A key point when referencing test data to obfuscate marginal vehicle design flaws that could result in serious injuries:

GRA wrote:Then there's just random chance - unlike NHTSA and IIHS tests, real world crashes can have a lot more variables.

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:53 am

I came here to post as my life is just starting to settle a little but I see my ears should have been burning. No worries. I happy to be here!!!

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Last year I took at trip by myself out to SD for a Tesla car meetup. This year my youngest son went with me. We had a great trip as we hit SD then went up the western side of MT. We hiked and drove to various stunningly beautiful places while on our way to visit friends and family.

We were on our way home and the first full day of driving on June 6th about 9pm another car hit a deer (flew up?) and subsequently came though our windshield hitting me in the left eye area. Apparently I then drove off the road and hit a tree (son stated). This was northeast WY so I was likely doing 70 or 75 mph.

My son exited the passenger door, opened my drivers door, realized I was in a bad situation which he should not move me, and he opened the driver side Falcon Wing Door. There he retrieved his phone from his backpack, called 911, and lead them to us.

My injuries are from the deer and are to my left eye and socket. These are on-going medical problems we are working through.

My son only had some minor scrapes (no stitches). The rest of my body seems 100% with only some scratches.

To say that I am blessed and thankful that the car protected us is a tremendous understatement. Modern cars are built well but I am certainly happy that Tesla takes safety so seriously.

(The car insurance result is still not determined. I'm not driving yet, but we still have two Volts and I will likely be driving our 2011 one while my son goes back to college this fall).

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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:55 am

WOW!

This car probably saved your life and prevented any serious injuries to your Son!
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:13 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:WOW! This car probably saved your life and prevented any serious injuries to your Son!
I think so and come to grips with that every time I see these pictures and think about what has transpired since then. My eye is in pretty tough shape but I'm thankful I am home, walking around, communicating with family and friends, and doing other normal things ... vs being in a hospital bed ... or worse!
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:51 am

scottf200 wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:WOW! This car probably saved your life and prevented any serious injuries to your Son!
I think so and come to grips with that every time I see these pictures and think about what has transpired since then. My eye is in pretty tough shape but I'm thankful I am home, walking around, communicating with family and friends, and doing other normal things ... vs being in a hospital bed ... or worse!


Yep the reality is you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you had hit the Deer first instead of the other car, the windshield damage would probably have been much less severe.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:08 pm

I'm just glad that Scott's injuries weren't a lot more severe, and his son got away essentially unscathed. As to the rest, NHTSA/IIHS tests cover the most common types of crashes, but there's no way to prevent injury in every single type of crash that may occur, unless you were to test every single possible one and somehow manage to design a vehicle that could handle all of them. Doing so would mean there were no cars available for sale, as the number of possible crash situations is infinite, and all cars would be used for crash testing.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:32 pm

I had a similar situation with my Mercedes B Electric Drive. Except for a scratch on my arm I was unhurt. The body shop people were amazed that I was unhurt. Mercedes and it looks like Tesla go to great lengths to make safe cars. Personally I would rather have the car sacrifice for me and give up its life. A car is way less important than the occupants. Totaling a car is OK in my book if it means you walk away unharmed or with minimal injuries.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:28 pm

scottf200 wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:WOW! This car probably saved your life and prevented any serious injuries to your Son!
I think so and come to grips with that every time I see these pictures and think about what has transpired since then. My eye is in pretty tough shape but I'm thankful I am home, walking around, communicating with family and friends, and doing other normal things ... vs being in a hospital bed ... or worse!

Extremely happy to hear you are on-the-mend!
Thank you for sharing your experience, as painful as it was.
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Re: Tesla Model X

Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:47 pm

Via IEVS:
7-Seat Tesla Model X Gets Fold Flat Second-Row Seats
http://insideevs.com/7-seat-tesla-model ... ear-seats/

. . .The fold-flat-second-row setup was previously offered only on the 5-seat version of the Model X. The 6-seater still doesn’t get second row second that can fold flat.

According to Tesla’s site, the fold-flat-second-row seating is a $3,000 option. . . .

Finally, although that's quite an upcharge for something every other SUV/CUV offers as standard. Now we just have to wait for them to junk the FWD with the 2nd gen (assuming Tesla survives that long), so that people can carry things on the roof if they want/need to, giving the Model X the same utility/versatility that every other SUV/CUV has had from the get-go.
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