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    Volt vs. Leaf - What finally pushed you to the Leaf?

    There's a lot of discussion about behavior at "70mph" on the Volt on this thread. This was something that was misreported and propagated to a lot of places, but isn't actually true. I think some Volt engineer while describing operation of the drivetrain used 70 mph as an example speed where...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    Wouldn't it be nice if some of you Leaf fans would actually follow what you write before participating in Volt bashing. Nearly all of the Volt people here fully acknowledge that the Leaf works quite well for some people in certain situations, the Leaf a better choice for those people. But many...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    Note that it wasn't that easy to replicate, apparently this latest round of tests involved damaging stand-alone battery assemblies to replicate the damage from the first incident. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-28/gm-volt-probed-by-u-s-after-crash-tested-batteries-catch-fire.html"...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    Re: brake fluid (non)-replacement http://www.aa1car.com/library/bfluid.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "A General Motors spokesman said Delco Supreme 11 DOT 3 brake fluid contains additives than many other brake fluids do not, so it is essentially a lifetime fluid. Starting in...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    Ontario international airport (ONT) is in Ontario, California, just east of Los Angeles. Not the Canadian province. Don't think there is an Ontario international airport in Canada? It makes some sense if some California dealers didn't plan ahead, and stocked a few too many non-HOV, non-$1500...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    This is generally true of the 2011 Volts (no small buttons on the door handles) unless the owner went to the trouble of getting the dealer to disable the alarm, or knows about the obscure, undocumented special trick of manual locking with the physical key from extensive Volt forum reading...
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    Gen 1 GM Volt Plug-In Hybrid (2011-2015)

    Volt: solid green = still charging flashing green = done charging, or charging delayed because owner forgot to override his timer delay or peak rate avoidance settings. (short flash / long flash, I wouldn't expect Leaf owners to remember which is which; I don't even remember myself without...
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    The “range–extended” EV (BEVx) considered

    Because if you are driving daily within the Volt range, it doesn't feel like it's operating "poorly". You don't feel at all the effects of the "defects" listed above. The range of course has no effect. The worse energy efficiency, of EPA 94 mpge vs. 99 mpge, if you are driving 8k electric...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    Mainly, you seem to be making criticisms of the Volt, many of which appear to be off-base. I don't know exactly how to define the difference between "criticism" and "attack". I'm not taking anything personally, I'm just attacking the misinformation and faulty logic with vigor, that you're...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    I agree, so why do MNL people do it? I only came here to defend the Volt against MNL members doing exactly this. I didn't come here to put down the Leaf. When did I put down the Leaf? So then you immediately put down the Volt. If you do have a high efficiency vehicle you plan to keep and...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    Good for you, the Leaf is clearly the right car for you. I have no argument with that. Quick-chargers -- how many are there now? How many in the next 3 years? What are the charging costs going to be? Will a significant # of people really be willing to put up with half-hour of charging for...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    You did. At least twice you made statements basically equivalent to: "If your driving is such that you never ever exceed the ~40 mile electric range of the Volt, ever, then you are still wasting whatever little fuel the Volt burns". And twice you mentioned the pickup truck analogy. And...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    No, I'm not angry about anyone's choice of car. I just am puzzled why people are criticizing the Volt as unsuited to any application, saying there's no reason to own one, using arguments that are completely illogical, and make no sense to me. Being able to make your long trip in a Leaf doesn't...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    Which advances your argument how? Yes, you barely make this trip in a Leaf. A Volt could handle this too, burning a gallon. But if your trip had been just slightly longer, or if there was less time for mid-day charging, the Leaf wouldn't make it, you'd take an ICE, while the Volt still would...
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    What gm-volt guys think of MNL ...

    No, I purposely used fallacy, because I want to know if you believe there is any actual error in my reasoning, for the scenarios I posited. It appears that we are in agreement then. As for the actual probability of each scenario, I think it is not very important. An individual driver should...
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