cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
I expect to be down about 25% at 100K. At that point the car will have barely enough range to satisfy my daily use. The battery will be down 4 bars by about 125K miles. I need to start looking at my options.
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GM is also someone I can't trust. Everybody else seems overpriced for what they offer. Even $50K seems like a lot to pay for a new car.
I'm no fan of GM but maybe we'll see good used '17 Bolt prices as they come off their 3 year leases? The first Bolt deliveries happened in mid Dec 2016 (https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2016/dec/1213-boltev.html).
The battery and much of the EV bits are warranted for 8 years/100K miles (see page 321 and 322 of https://my.chevrolet.com/content/dam/gmownercenter/gmna/dynamic/manuals/2017/Chevrolet/BOLT%20EV/Owner's%20Manual.pdf). The rest of the car will be outside the 3 year/36K basic warranty.
The range of my Bolt is a game changer vs. my '13 Leaf.
johnlocke said:
If Tesla announces their "million mile" battery this spring, that would be the icing on the cake.
LOL. just like their "million mile" power train: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=498198#p498198.
How long do you really expect any car to last? If I get 350,000 miles out of a Tesla without have to replace the battery, that would be 20 years of operation. The older batteries in Tesla S's seem to be down about 10% at 150,000 miles and I expect that the packs in the model 3 to do a bit better. If the battery and powertrain last half as long as Tesla claims, that would still be 3 times as long as the average ICE and twice as long as the best of them. The only people who really care about the million mile figure are taxi companies and truckers. I'm just paranoid about battery life after my experience with the Leaf. I want a battery that will last the life of the car with minimal degradation.
I had hoped to see off-lease model 3's by the time I had to replace the Leaf but that 's not going to happen. I still remember GM from the 80's so I just can't trust them. The Bolt might be fine but it''s still a GM product. Ford is better but not by much. Both companies have too much invested in ICE's and not a lot of enthusiasm for EV's. Volkswagen seems to have committed themselves to EV's but are having teething problems with the ID3. I still want to see the ID4 and the Vision. The Korean's look interesting but Hyundai and Kia both have had quality issues. Also low volumes of production mean that there isn't much to go on.
As far as the bolt's 100K warranty goes, the Leaf also has a 100K warranty. At 73000 miles, I'm half way through my second battery. The warranty is meaningless if the basic product is shoddy to start with. That was my mistake with the Leaf, I believed that a 100K, 8 year warranty meant that they had solved their battery issues. Silly me.