So you can buy a 30kwh Leaf with three bars lost, presumably for a good price. It has apparently had the BMS update already. It looks like a good bet to get a free new 40kwh battery for it.
LeftieBiker said:So you can buy a 30kwh Leaf with three bars lost, presumably for a good price. It has apparently had the BMS update already. It looks like a good bet to get a free new 40kwh battery for it.
LeftieBiker said:The ones that degrade fast are either defective (in a way that we still don't understand) or have been exposed to large amounts of hot weather - day and night - for years. It is my somewhat educated GUESS that if the car resided where you live, then it's a good bet that it will lose that 4th capacity bar within a year or maybe two at most. As I said, it's a gamble.
LeftieBiker said:It is possible that Nissan tried, through programming, to make the 9th capacity bar a bit more persistent. We already know that, by making the 12th bar worth about 15% of capacity, they wanted the battery to seem fine until it fell below 85%. Still, the 9th bar does drop, and when it does, as long as the update was done and the pack wasn't tampered with, or heated above 120F in an oven, they will replace it. Just pick a dealership that knows what they are doing, and that doesn't try to prevent you from getting the replacement.
I know of no documentation here or elsewhere which supports that theory.ac19 said:I also read somewhere on the web that there is a hypothetical conspiracy theory on the part of Nissan where it supposedly has everything controlled in terms of software and the bars drops when they want.
In fact, there are some testimonies that at around 70-75%, the SOH stabilizes a lot and stops down abruptly as before. I don't know, honestly!?
Dooglas said:I know of no documentation here or elsewhere which supports that theory.ac19 said:I also read somewhere on the web that there is a hypothetical conspiracy theory on the part of Nissan where it supposedly has everything controlled in terms of software and the bars drops when they want.
In fact, there are some testimonies that at around 70-75%, the SOH stabilizes a lot and stops down abruptly as before. I don't know, honestly!?
ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
LeftieBiker said:ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
ac19 said:LeftieBiker said:ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
The bolded part (at other plants) is nothing new.GaleHawkins said:Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."
Charging rate is measured in kW, not kWh. You mean 6.6 kW?ac19 said:Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
cwerdna said:The bolded part (at other plants) is nothing new.GaleHawkins said:Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."
For example, some Nissan Rogues for the US market came from Renault Samsung Motors in Busan, South Korea (https://web.archive.org/web/20171017001028/https://media.group.renault.com/global/en-gb/renault-samsung-motors/media/pressreleases/62390/renault-samsung-motors-exporte-le-nissan-rogue-vers-lamerique-du-nord1 and http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=35429). For awhile, US market Rogues could come from 3 countries: US, South Korea and Japan.
Plans were known for a long time: https://reports.nissan-global.com/EN/?p=12234. You can see Renault badged cars in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPteNxadh7I which differs from the round logo of Renault Samsung Motors (https://www.renaultsamsungm.com/).
Nissan Micras started to be produced in France long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onKWN-Oygnw.
Charging rate is measured in kW, not kWh. You mean 6.6 kW?ac19 said:Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
Not clear, as i don't follow. Russia and South America are lumped into "others" at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/RESULTS/2019/, it seems. Russia is broken out at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/INDIVIDUAL/LATESTSALES/2019/ but not South America.GaleHawkins said:https://russiabusinesstoday.com/e...-know-nothing-about-nissan-quitting-russia/
https://www.automotive-fleet.com/297131/nissan-sales-jump-14-3-in-south-america
Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .
cwerdna said:Not clear, as i don't follow. Russia and South America are lumped into "others" at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/RESULTS/2019/, it seems. Russia is broken out at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/INDIVIDUAL/LATESTSALES/2019/ but not South America.GaleHawkins said:https://russiabusinesstoday.com/e...-know-nothing-about-nissan-quitting-russia/
https://www.automotive-fleet.com/297131/nissan-sales-jump-14-3-in-south-america
Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .
There were rumblings that the Datsun brand may end again (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-tokyo-nissan-exclusive/exclusive-datsun-brand-set-to-go-as-nissan-rolls-back-ghosns-expansionist-strategy-sources-idUSKBN1X20NE). They'd introduced some low-cost vehicles like the Go and its variants for various less wealthy countries (e.g. India, Russia, Indonesia, etc.) A problem w/low-cost vehicles is low margins and low/no profits.
It looks like Nissan may not longer own any of Avtovaz and it's part of Groupe Renault now: https://group.renault.com/en/news-on-air/news/avtovaz-a-recovery-on-track/.
Anyway, we should probably continue Nissan and Renault corporate stuff that's not-Leaf related in another thread.
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:We're in the SG valley, so it's not "hot" like other parts of SoCal.
dean said:Oils4AsphaultOnly said:We're in the SG valley, so it's not "hot" like other parts of SoCal.
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